Northern Colorado Wants To Become It's Own State - Topic

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Jun 9 2013 01:47am

Quote (SwaziSpring @ Jun 8 2013 05:55pm)

We're not a democracy and never have been. We are a federal constitutional republic. We are nation of laws first-and-foremost. Democracy is tyranny.

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Jun 12 2013 08:07pm

Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 8 2013 12:21pm)

Partisan hackery aside, it would destabilize the current political situation, especially if Puerto Rico is admitted as a state. Regardless of how much you despise the Republican Party, they represent a significant portion of Americans, and a change that leads to ~30% of the nation having no effective federal power would be enormously problematic for the status quo, and I'm not sure Independents would side with the Democrats on this if they were perceived to be "crushing" their opposition by non-electoral means.

I don't see how admitting either D.C. or Puerto Rico to the union would be a change that would inherently lead to "30% of the nation having no effective federal power." I don't despise the Republican party, but if they're afraid that more people getting more voting power would make it harder on them then maybe they should finally fucking adapt to political environment so that they can be competitive in elections again, instead of pulling the same bullshit that they have been in response to various electoral drubbings.

Political parties win, adapt, or die. The Republicans need to learn how to adapt. Currently they spend most of their time trying to come up with harebrained schemes that'll disenfranchise voters instead of trying to come up with ways that will make them more appealing to the overall electorate so that more people will vote for them. They should cut that bullshit out and put their effort into focusing on how to become more competitive in elections regardless if we ever gave D.C. or PR statehood.

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Jun 12 2013 08:11pm

Quote (Santara @ Jun 7 2013 02:50pm)

Not to an American. We take the concept of "taxation without representation" rather seriously. These people are complaining they were excluded from the process of enacting this law, and only afforded a vote of yes or no after it was already written. They weren't consulted, and they are the ones affected by a law passed by people who aren't affected by it.

Two of the many bullet points of the Declaration of Independence:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent.

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He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

You can't have a state that isn't economically viable. It's useless.

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Jun 12 2013 08:35pm

We didn't break up the union when people wanted 'freedom to practice slavery' -- I don't see how this 'freedom' is any different.

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