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Aug 6 2012 02:36pm
Quote (Santara @ Aug 6 2012 02:20pm)
Stuxnet was intended to cause meltdowns in nuclear production facilities, potentially causing widespread destruction and death.


Stuxnet was intended to appease israeli aggression without getting our hands too dirty.
And it wouldn't cause meltdowns anyway you know, all it did was attack centrifuges and spy on everyone. Making a centrifuge toggle speeds so fast it breaks doesn't turn it into a nuclear reactor, its just a big thingy spinning around a central thingy, no nuclear physics going on
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Aug 6 2012 02:39pm
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Stuxnet was intended to appease israeli aggression without getting our hands too dirty.
And it wouldn't cause meltdowns anyway you know, all it did was attack centrifuges and spy on everyone. Making a centrifuge toggle speeds so fast it breaks doesn't turn it into a nuclear reactor, its just a big thingy spinning around a central thingy, no nuclear physics going on


Centrifuges make regular uranium into fissile uranium. Breaking centrifuges containing fissile uranium can hardly be considered a safe endeavor.
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Aug 6 2012 02:42pm
Quote (Santara @ Aug 6 2012 12:20pm)
Stuxnet was intended to cause meltdowns in nuclear production facilities, potentially causing widespread destruction and death.


Nah...it wouldn't have caused widespread destruction and death. It was intended to destroy nuclear infrastructure though.
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Aug 6 2012 02:45pm
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Centrifuges make regular uranium into fissile uranium. Breaking centrifuges containing fissile uranium can hardly be considered a safe endeavor.


Certainly not 'safe', but the only person whos life could be directly at risk is the guy who repairs the centrifuges
I have to give credit where its due, the people who wrote stuxnet did a bang-up job at it, some great coders with extremely narrow and precise targeting.
It was very specifically tailored to keeping Iran away from weapons grade enrichment, not actually sabotaging their reactors

But thats the small picture, the big picture being that the entire project was clearly a dead end endeavour committed for political reasons, not really to be an efficient attack
You can only imagine how many millions of dollars and huge effort went into creating a virus that probably didn't do any more harm to Iranian nuclear program than one loony with 5 minutes and a hammer could have done
But it sure makes Israel think we're in their corner, with them on this fight! We won't bomb Iran, but we'll throw them this bone

I'm really not a fan of appeasement in any circumstances
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Aug 6 2012 02:48pm
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Certainly not 'safe', but the only person whos life could be directly at risk is the guy who repairs the centrifuges
I have to give credit where its due, the people who wrote stuxnet did a bang-up job at it, some great coders with extremely narrow and precise targeting.
It was very specifically tailored to keeping Iran away from weapons grade enrichment, not actually sabotaging their reactors

But thats the small picture, the big picture being that the entire project was clearly a dead end endeavour committed for political reasons, not really to be an efficient attack
You can only imagine how many millions of dollars and huge effort went into creating a virus that probably didn't do any more harm to Iranian nuclear program than one loony with 5 minutes and a hammer could have done
But it sure makes Israel think we're in their corner, with them on this fight! We won't bomb Iran, but we'll throw them this bone

I'm really not a fan of appeasement in any circumstances


An understatement I think. It's pretty remarkable when the only thing that went wrong is that it spread to computers outside of Iran.
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Aug 6 2012 02:50pm
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An understatement I think.  It's pretty remarkable when the only thing that went wrong is that it spread to computers outside of Iran.


Its not *that* good coding. I've worked on more impressive things. When you have access to the hardware they were targeting like they did, the attack method itself really wasn't anything too clever, like they just got drunk and watched Ocean's Eleven
Still, a good job on it, but the project manager should be shot for such a boondoggle, at least, if it wasn't purely political
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Aug 6 2012 04:23pm
Quote (Santara @ Aug 6 2012 09:35am)
Sad that people think 50% of people have no stake in society, that's how I read it.


So they shouldn't be taxed and they shouldn't vote.
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