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Aug 5 2012 03:57pm
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you deny that the quality of employees hired in the public sector is mediocre compared to that of the private sector for the same jobs/salaries?


No, the employees in the public sector are treated better, a higher quality. They are paid more and have more benefits.
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Aug 5 2012 04:02pm
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No, the employees in the public sector are treated better, a higher quality. They are paid more and have more benefits.


take your trolling elsewhere
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Aug 5 2012 04:05pm
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If it's given out so much then why does nobody have any of it except a few people and why does everybody want it?

What do you have against the federal reserve?  And would you prefer a national bank under control of politicians and not economists?

The reason why no one has any of it is because it's all going overseas to fund the wars that never end.

I want the endless printing to stop, balanced budgets, whether it's government or private. Competing currencies as well, than they can print all they want, because eventually no one will want it.
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Aug 5 2012 04:08pm
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take your trolling elsewhere


The salaries are not comparable because public employees are compensated more for the same position, to compare them to equitable salaries you would have to compare different levels of experience and jobs. Based on the same job though, how would you compare their "quality" based on anything other than your generalizations?



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Aug 5 2012 04:10pm
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The reason why no one has any of it is because it's all going overseas to fund the wars that never end.

I want the endless printing to stop, balanced budgets, whether it's government or private. Competing currencies as well, than they can print all they want, because eventually no one will want it.




...we all hope Canada will achieve this soon .
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Aug 5 2012 04:12pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Aug 5 2012 03:10pm)
...we all hope Canada will achieve this soon .

Didn't know you cared, but yeah.
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Aug 5 2012 04:19pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Aug 5 2012 05:10pm)
...we all hope Canada will achieve this soon .


I don't....we don't need severe and widespread poverty above us as well as below us.
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Aug 5 2012 04:23pm
Quote (killgoreisleet @ Aug 5 2012 10:08pm)
The salaries are not comparable because public employees are compensated more for the same position, to compare them to equitable salaries you would have to compare different levels of experience and jobs. Based on the same job though, how would you compare their "quality" based on anything other than your generalizations?


i refer to quality of work and competency levels for the same jobs, if you've worked in public service you'd be aware of the widespread mediocrity of lazy employees who come in at 9, start working at 1pm, do half assed work in the time they do work using obsolete inefficient technologies and methodologies, and will never be seen working after 5

people flock to these jobs because it is first and foremost easy - to argue otherwise is idiocy/willful ignorance -, secure, and has significantly better benefits than the private sector equivalents - not because it's a challenging/interesting work environment

this is echoed and bragged about by friends/relatives currently in public service roles, mind you they work there to have steady easy income while having time to work on stuff on the side

This post was edited by duffman316 on Aug 5 2012 04:31pm
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Aug 5 2012 05:33pm
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not sure i understand that. if i say i won't hire asian people, then that standard is applied to everyone else too, but that's discrimination isn't it?


You picked a real bad example but that is allowed in the US. You can discriminate if it effects everyone even if it has unintended results becaue it has a good purpose. Avoiding wasted resources is a good purpose but the policy excludes some people who are genuiely interested in police work and want to stay. In Canada or other similar countries (Australia, most EU countries) this would not be allowed. There's a word for it but I can't remember, I haven't looked at something like this since highschool.
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Aug 5 2012 06:07pm
Quote (Skinned @ Aug 5 2012 04:57pm)
If it's given out so much then why does nobody have any of it except a few people and why does everybody want it?

What do you have against the federal reserve? And would you prefer a national bank under control of politicians and not economists?


Since 1913 in united states and 1973 in Canada and Europe, we are obliged to get endebted to get more money supply. Like you know, each loan borrowed is accompagned by interest which need to be paid back to the banks who create money ex nihilo. The problem is that we cannot repay all our loans with our actual money supply because no money would be anymore in circulation for exchanges. Even more, the interest from theses loans are money that don't exist and then reconize that it cannot been repaid either. Then, the only way to continu this infernal spiral is to borrow more money to allow enought money supply to pay older loans. The result of this is a bubble of endebtment and the cause of a financial crisis when people lose confidence on the risky assets infecting the system.

Because the federal reserve and people behind it want to keep theirs huges advantages of managing the money supply, the only solution they find is to create huge amount of money supply as liquidity for the banks to be able to loan money again. The consequence of that is the tremendous increase of the public debt that the state and theirs people are worried to lose their "AAA" grade and are forced to cut in publics services to save this "about to fail" money supply system. Also, it's an important source of inflation which is also an hidden taxe, and at the same time it is money that the same people will need to borrow at interest.... O_o

I think the solution is to seperate the money supply from the circle of endebtment. An example could be on spreading this new money as an universal income. An another way could be to spread the money supply within the public infrastructure and in education and the healthcare system. The key is to avoid the banks to create money ex nihilo and to serve the offer and the demand of the saving/credit pattern. Outside of theses changes, our sovereignties are fucked.

This post was edited by jerds24 on Aug 5 2012 06:12pm
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