Quote (datajunky @ Nov 17 2013 10:55pm)

I watch people who say that they are free who drive around in their cars knowing that the only reason they are doing this is because they were granted permission from the government to use a car to travel , they take that car to a job where they had to use a Social security or Social insurance number to be able to get permission to work. That card and number then allows them to work, also allows the state to inform the tax collectors that you have made a certain amount of money for your labor that they now can take from you , those taxes that they take from you are now used to buy surveillance cameras and fund police departments that are in place to make sure that you follow the rules set up by the government that issued you permission to work in the first place.

You need a license to fish , to hunt , to get married, to run a business, to sell things , to use your car , to work in certain trades , and to run a farm .

You need a permit to use your car , to own a pet , to build onto your house , to own a gun, to use a gun, to help the needy and most disturbing of all to hold a protest or to congregate among your peers in public.

You are told to declare your earnings and file a tax return and you are told that you must fill out a census to inform on your family and friends.

You need to go through an indoctrination program called school which gives you a diploma so that you can get a higher level of indoctrination in college or university and without this certificate you are considered unemployable to those people who take your money in the form of taxation.

When you are born you are given a certificate to become a citizen and that certificate identifies you as a "person" who is "subject" to the laws and rules of that society .

If you choose to revoke these contracts with the government or question the motives of these contracts for any reason you will have police sent out to either assault you , fine you , steal from you , or worst case they will kill you .

If for any reason you decide to travel abroad and do not have a government issued passport or birth certificate or citizenship card with you as a good and obedient card carrying slave you will be denied your right to travel the world. If you do happen to have these things you will be insulted , interrogated, searched and scanned with radiation until those with perceived authority deem you worthy of travel. A perfect slave is allowed these concessions.

You are not allowed access to your own body in the way of health . If you wish to remain healthy on your own terms that is considered anti social behavior, The state requires that you inject poisons into your body , drink fluoride , and if you choose to use natural healing products to rid yourself of pesky diseases created by the governments own health agencies and policy like chemical aerosol spraying and GMO's. you will be arrested for using alternative natural methods such as cannabis, hemp, or if you promote raw foods or alternative treatments such as apricot kernels , DCA , or other things that the government does not want you to know about you will be put on a list of suspected terrorism and or raided in the middle of the night by mercenaries .

If you choose to oppose the war , If you speak out against government policy, the obvious lies of 911, or Israel you will be arrested for hate crimes or called anti-semitic or a racist and persecuted to the point of exile .

So you think you are free ? Think again .

Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 18 2013 01:57am)

We live longer, healthier, richer lives than at any point in the past. That is just a fact.

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Nov 18 2013 02:21am)

...ah , I remember the good old days when we were truly free ...free to work from sun up to sun down tilling the fields and sowing the crops and milking the cow and slopping the hogs , free to die from measles or chicken pox or tuberculosis or even gangrene from a simple cut , the freedom of cholera and yellow fever and polio and when leisure time was the 5 minute walk from the outhouse to the woodpile . Now that my friends was true freedom ( sigh )

Quote (boognis @ Nov 19 2013 09:11am)

You're talking about advances in medicine, not social structure.

Personally, I'm a mental health victim. I've posted my stories here before because I like to write about them to understand my experience and even to accept criticism.
So here's my story:
In 2010, at Burning Man, I was doing hatha yoga on the playa and some people came up to me asking if I was alright... I was doing better than ever and declined to respond because I just wanted them to stop bothering me. Some medical professionals were called and took me to a hospital tent where I gave my 2 cents and was released. I walked about 25 yards away from the medical tent and continued my sadhana. A crowd of people gathered around me to watch my movements, which were pretty profound after living at an ashram studying yoga and practicing day and night for 8+ hours a day. For whatever reason, even tho I had just been released from a medical tent, now officers were called to the scene.
When I wouldn't respond to the officers, who were frankly offending me with their concerns, they informed me that a psychologist was being summoned. I frankly didn't give a flying fuck because I was doing no wrong, and I believed I had certain rights. The police officers used the terms "thousand yard stare" and "crouching tiger hidden dragon" to describe my behavior. The crowd which had gathered around me was chanting "Let him breathe." The psychologist arrived and told me he was concerned about my well-being and safety. He took me back to the medical tent where someone ordered me a shot of Thorazine. I got into a fight with 5-6 medical personal and police who were trying to restrain me and inject me with drugs against my will. I screamed "NO DRUGS!" and "STOP, HELP", but no one was willing to confront the professionals. I don't believe they succeeded in injecting me, but the mental health professional had me committed to a short term mental health facility for observation.

Six months later I quit living at the ashram and left to become a sanyassi or complete renunciate. While I was in California I walked from Tiajuana to Napa Valley, or about 600 miles. The journey took me three months and during that time I was taken to a hospital by local police 20+ times for observation. They believed I was on drugs. Twice I refused to piss in a cup and was cathaterized, which is where they stick a tube down your penis to suck your piss out of you so they can drug test you.

Most recently, in March of this year, I was taken from my home for knocking on my neighbors doors. The neighbors reported me to management who called crisis prevention. I was taken to a local hospital where they kept me in isolation for eight days, before admitting me to the general population where I stayed for only five days before being released.

The subversive today are truly unfree. Be they interred into Gitmo or a hospital without crime or charges.

Quote (killgoreisleet @ Nov 19 2013 07:13am)

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Quote (boognis @ Nov 19 2013 10:11am)

You're talking about advances in medicine, not social structure.

Personally, I'm a mental health victim. I've posted my stories here before because I like to write about them to understand my experience and even to accept criticism.
So here's my story:
In 2010, at Burning Man, I was doing hatha yoga on the playa and some people came up to me asking if I was alright... I was doing better than ever and declined to respond because I just wanted them to stop bothering me. Some medical professionals were called and took me to a hospital tent where I gave my 2 cents and was released. I walked about 25 yards away from the medical tent and continued my sadhana. A crowd of people gathered around me to watch my movements, which were pretty profound after living at an ashram studying yoga and practicing day and night for 8+ hours a day. For whatever reason, even tho I had just been released from a medical tent, now officers were called to the scene.
When I wouldn't respond to the officers, who were frankly offending me with their concerns, they informed me that a psychologist was being summoned. I frankly didn't give a flying fuck because I was doing no wrong, and I believed I had certain rights. The police officers used the terms "thousand yard stare" and "crouching tiger hidden dragon" to describe my behavior. The crowd which had gathered around me was chanting "Let him breathe." The psychologist arrived and told me he was concerned about my well-being and safety. He took me back to the medical tent where someone ordered me a shot of Thorazine. I got into a fight with 5-6 medical personal and police who were trying to restrain me and inject me with drugs against my will. I screamed "NO DRUGS!" and "STOP, HELP", but no one was willing to confront the professionals. I don't believe they succeeded in injecting me, but the mental health professional had me committed to a short term mental health facility for observation.

Six months later I quit living at the ashram and left to become a sanyassi or complete renunciate. While I was in California I walked from Tiajuana to Napa Valley, or about 600 miles. The journey took me three months and during that time I was taken to a hospital by local police 20+ times for observation. They believed I was on drugs. Twice I refused to piss in a cup and was cathaterized, which is where they stick a tube down your penis to suck your piss out of you so they can drug test you.

Most recently, in March of this year, I was taken from my home for knocking on my neighbors doors. The neighbors reported me to management who called crisis prevention. I was taken to a local hospital where they kept me in isolation for eight days, before admitting me to the general population where I stayed for only five days before being released.

The subversive today are truly unfree. Be they interred into Gitmo or a hospital without crime or charges.

Quote (TheBadLuitenant @ Nov 19 2013 07:14am)

I actually read this whole post. Interesting, ridiculous if true. You were institutionalized for practicing Yoga at the fucking Burning Man? That just ain't right.

Quote (boognis @ Nov 19 2013 10:18am)

As I've come to understand it I was institutionalized for poor social behavior toward my superiors.