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You may flop around and call me stupid but if this was proven then the label of "theory" would of been dropped.


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Yes, duffman i'm aware. I was a biochemistry major in school i'd say i'm somewhat familiar.


how the hell did you turn out this way =_= ?
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Lol.

I did a presentation on abiogenesis in Astronomy I or II during undergrad, good times :thumbsup:

The entire class giggled when I said 'panspermia" too.

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I'm interested in real discussion here.


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First time for everything I guess...


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Oh, damn. This is really going to activate some religous folks' persecution complexes in here.
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)1,'''''''' How many women came to the tomb? One (John)? Two (Matthew)? Three (Mark)? More (Luke) ?

Answer One Came to the Tomb, then Two more came, then some returned back to the tomb and then perhaps they all came together again Later. * the Scriptures never Claim to tell You the detailed number of how many peple came to the tomb.

all of the women arrived together; and individually and also multiple groups of women could have been going to and from and back and forth To- the tomb at different times. The Contradiction would be to say that a particular person did not go to the tomb, then for another Gospel to say they did. That would be a CONTRADICTION. or a Question. WITH NO ANSWER

A Contradiction would be to say that only a certain amount of people went to the tomb but then completely -- change the number around in another Gospel/... The FACT is that the Gospels do not Contradict. They Only Put the Pieces together from different Eyewitness . LIVE RECORDED accounts.

. these People who were being Hunted down, in hiding and running from the Roman Government and running from Many other jEWS, as well..

They are the Eyewitnesses and Record that we have. not all of them were there, Not all of them heard from and saw and spoke to all the same people. But they EACH Tell their Part of the Event, from the STORY they they all heard. THEY are all in perfect agreement. No Contradiction.

The bible does not Contradict itself. It is You -- Who Contradicts the bible.



2) What were the last words of Jesus? Three gospels have three different accounts of his last words.

Answer Again The same Mistake is made in Assuming that the Gospels Declare these to be the Last and final words of jESUS. When You have not read Your Bible, OR When You have no BIBLE for Your Claims. You are repeating the same CONTRADICTIONS in Your Own Mind... If You had read the Book You would notice that in the Book of Revelation, we find the Auctual words of jESUS.

The Gospels authors are not claiming to RECORD the Final Words of jESUS -- They are Only Claiming to be placing the Pieces together from different Eyewitness . LIVE RECORDED accounts.

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. ..

The Fact is that These are the Very last words that are RECORDED from jESUS, But You did not know that, because You are too busy focusing in on the Gospels, that never are making claims to record the last words of anyone. That would be a CONTRADICTION. or a Question. WITH NO ANSWER
You are making that claim, not the Gospel authors.


3) Was the tomb already open when they got there (Matthew indicates the tomb was open, the other three claim it was closed)?

Answer Again Your mental Challenge is Your own self. There were people Running back and forth from the tomb. Individuals and groups. the Gospels do not claim to place anything in Chronological, precise, precision and PERFECT ORDER from begening to end.

it is You who make that claim. The Gospels are a LIVE RECORDED EVENT, of accounts. of . these People who were being Hunted down, in hiding and running from the Roman Government and running from Many other jEWS. They wrote down what they heard from Live witnesses. NON of them contradicted.They jUST did not Get together and create a single storyline. they each told their part as they remembered.


You simply have no scriptures for Your Faith.

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)1,'''''''' How many women came to the tomb? One (John)? Two (Matthew)? Three (Mark)? More (Luke) ?

Answer One Came to the Tomb, then Two more came, then some returned back to the tomb and then perhaps they all came together again Later. * the Scriptures never Claim to tell You the detailed number of how many peple came to the tomb.

all of the women arrived together; and individually and also multiple groups of women could have been going to and from and back and forth To- the tomb at different times. The Contradiction would be to say they a particular person did not go to the tomb, then for another Gospel to say they did.

A Contradiction would be to say that only a certain amount of people went to the tomb but then completely -- change the number around in another Gospel/... The FACT is that the Gospels do not Contradict. They Only Put the Pieces together from different Eyewitness . LIVE RECORDED accounts.

. these People who were being Hunted down, in hiding and running from the Roman Government and running from Many other jEWS, as well..

They are the Eyewitnesses and Record that we have. not all of them were there, Not all of them heard from and saw and spoke to all the same people. But they EACH Tell their Part of the Event, from the STORY they they all heard. THEY are all in perfect agreement. No Contradiction.

The bible does not Contradict itself. It is You -- Who Contradicts the bible.



2) What were the last words of Jesus? Three gospels have three different accounts of his last words.

Answer Again The same Mistake is made in Assuming that the Gospels Declare these to be the Last and final words of jESUS. When You have not read Your Bible, OR When You have no BIBLE for Your Claims. You are repeating the same CONTRADICTIONS in Your Own Mind... If You had read the Book You would notice that in the Book of Revelation, we find the Auctual words of jESUS.

The Gospels authors are not claiming to RECORD the Final Words of jESUS -- They are Only Claiming to be placing the Pieces together from different Eyewitness . LIVE RECORDED accounts.

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. ..

The Fact is that These are the Very last words that are RECORDED from jESUS, But You did not know that, because You are too busy focusing in on the Gospels, that never are making claims to record the last words of anyone.
You are making that claim, not the Gospel authors.


3) Was the tomb already open when they got there (Matthew indicates the tomb was open, the other three claim it was closed)?

Answer Again Your mental Challenge is Your own self. There were people Running back and forth from the tomb. Individuals and groups. the Gospels do not claim to place anything in Chronological, precise, precision and PERFECT ORDER from begening to end.

it is You who make that claim. The Gospels are a LIVE RECORDED EVENT, of accounts. of . these People who were being Hunted down, in hiding and running from the Roman Government and running from Many other jEWS. They wrote down what they heard from Live witnesses. NON of them contradicted.They jUST did not Get together and create a single storyline. they each told their part as they remembered.


Thanks for answering the questions. If my memory serves me correctly, you are the first Christian to answer the questions without being prodded to do so in the first place.

They aren't easy questions to answer, so I appreciate you taking the time to answer them. It seems like a common theme in the answers of this thread are that the differences between the gospels are due to different eyewitnesses' observations (living recording, not historical record).

I don't expect you or other Christians to label them as contradictions, as you guys will probably defend your faith no matter what evidence is presented to you. But this is why I self-identify as a scientist - I think it is best to be open to new ideas since humanity is always advancing our knowledge of science, history, the Earth, etc.

But just to reiterate, thank you for taking the time to answer my three questions. After reading responses in thread, I actually understand Christians' points of view on the resurrection story a little bit better.
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Aug 17 2015 12:37pm
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I mean.. if you even bothered to click the link...

"While in popular usage the term myth often refers to false or fanciful stories, formally, it does not imply falsehood"

Is like the second sentence...

Myth
[mith]
noun
1.
a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature

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