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Jul 19 2012 11:11am
There's no death sentence for leaving Islam. There is death sentence for leaving Islam and becoming an enemy of it.


Apostasy is not a 1 line topic in Islam. There is an entire section for it. Please read before spreading lies. You guys will never learn Islam unless you do a background search on everything you grab from Islamophob sites.


And to the Muslims on this page, do your own research as well before accepting what these kids have to say.
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Jul 19 2012 11:50am
Quote (simpleforce @ 19 Jul 2012 19:11)
There's no death sentence for leaving Islam. There is death sentence for leaving Islam and becoming an enemy of it.


Apostasy is not a 1 line topic in Islam. There is an entire section for it. Please read before spreading lies. You guys will never learn Islam unless you do a background search on everything you grab from Islamophob sites.


And to the Muslims on this page, do your own research as well before accepting what these kids have to say.



Yes but leaving Islam and becoming Christians or a Jew means you are the enemy of Islam
So you are sentence to death.
http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/11/9-you-cant-leave-islam-once-youre-in.html

This post was edited by Many_Names on Jul 19 2012 11:50am
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Jul 19 2012 02:49pm
Quote (poulgaragr @ Jul 19 2012 01:29pm)
There is no compulsion in Religion = La Ikraha Fi-Deen, which means there is no compulsion in accepting Islam

Wake up, hypocrite, and smell the sunshine :D


i'm guessing you played paladin in d2, max fanaticism?
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Jul 19 2012 03:56pm
Perhaps poultrygraa and simpleforce can answer these questions.

Why didn't god place us in heaven in the first place?

Why does god kill people? Isn't that evil for humans to do?
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Jul 19 2012 04:05pm
Quote (Many_Names @ Jul 19 2012 05:50pm)
Yes but leaving Islam and becoming Christians or a Jew means you are the enemy of Islam
So you are sentence to death.
http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/11/9-you-cant-leave-islam-once-youre-in.html


Bad link. Also didn't see one authentic reference in there to prove your point, which you can't because your claim is wrong so there is no reason to find a fake evidence for it.
Read the section on Apostasy in Sahih if you want to learn about apostasy, don't read what a 3rd party guy who made a website wrote.

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Perhaps poultrygraa and simpleforce can answer these questions.

Why didn't god place us in heaven in the first place?

Why does god kill people? Isn't that evil for humans to do?


Place us in paradise and do what? Why would God create a being that is already good, and reward him for nothing. This concept of being only good belongs to Angels, and they can't feel the joy or suffering we do. We are better than Angels because we can make decisions.

God is Just, he gives and takes.
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Jul 19 2012 04:08pm
Quote (simpleforce @ Jul 19 2012 04:05pm)
Bad link. Also didn't see one authentic reference in there to prove your point, which you can't because your claim is wrong so there is no reason to find a fake evidence for it.
Read the section on Apostasy in Sahih if you want to learn about apostasy, don't read what a 3rd party guy who made a website wrote.



Place us in paradise and do what? Why would God create a being that is already good, and reward him for nothing. This concept of being only good belongs to Angels, and they can't feel the joy or suffering we do. We are better than Angels because we can make decisions.

God is Just, he gives and takes.


So what if he is rewarded for nothing? Why not create every human already in heaven? God isn't just if he is giving people free will to do evil with. He could just place us in heaven from the start and we would have free will with the additional restriction that we cannot commit evil with our free will. Why not just do that in the first place?
Additionally, by saying that god wouldn't reward non-actors, you are giving him human attributes such as gratification and caring.
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Jul 19 2012 04:10pm
Just think about it this way.

If I had a box with a red button inside it, and if I were to press the button I would send everyone ever alive to heaven immediately, would you press it? I'm sure anyone, given the chance and being sufficiently empathetic, would.

Would god press it? No, he woudln't, because he could have created us in heaven in the first place. In fact, why doesn't god push the button now, or anytime?

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Jul 19 2012 07:13pm
There's a red button.
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Quote (simpleforce @ Jul 19 2012 07:13pm)
There's a red button.


No. Thanks for actually arguing against my post instead of making one short post that didn't really address anything.
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Jul 19 2012 07:22pm
Quote (AEtheric @ Jul 19 2012 06:10pm)
Just think about it this way.

If I had a box with a red button inside it, and if I were to press the button I would send everyone ever alive to heaven immediately, would you press it? I'm sure anyone, given the chance and being sufficiently empathetic, would.

Would god press it? No, he woudln't, because he could have created us in heaven in the first place. In fact, why doesn't god push the button now, or anytime?


Well... no I would not press it, because the existence of heaven would imply the existence of God, and since God is infallible I would assume he would have made the choice to put us in heaven if that were the most loving choice.

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