Quote (joodz @ Jun 9 2013 06:26pm)

It's not different.  Both CAN be used as deadly weapons, just like a hunting knife.
People are well aware of the laws regarding murder, rape, and kidnapping.  Yet these types of crimes occur everyday.

Quote (joodz @ Jun 9 2013 06:59pm)

Chicago had about 100 murders in the first 4 months of 2013, just in Chicago.  It also happens that Illinois is the only state which does not allow concealed carry of a weapon.  Murder happens everyday so yes it is common.
Harsh punishments for crime do not deter criminals.

We can compare a gun to anything that COULD be used to kill someone.  Most guns are not used to commit crimes.

This is my last word on the matter, cruel and unusual punishment plain and simple.

Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ 9 Jun 2013 08:05)

You forget that less and less automatics are on the legal market as they find themselves in the hands of private collectors and gun enthusiasts given that you cannot purchase automatics manufactured after 1986. That is a restriction in itself.

Quote (brmv @ Jun 9 2013 08:50pm)

how does that compare with the "Every hunter in America has an automatic rifle" recent statement by justice scalia?

Quote (Lifebane99 @ Jun 8 2013 09:17pm)

In places with no restrictions they are $400, if that.
So as a said, leave current restrictions in place

Quote (SocialSuicide @ Jun 9 2013 10:30pm)

Grabbing air for any and all intelligence they may be able to inhale.

Not sure about anyone else who hunts, but I dont use an automatic, nor do I even use a semi-automatic.
Only time I've ever seen someone take a semi-automatic rifle hunting was for dangerous game (i.e Bear)

Quote (AXIS @ Jun 10 2013 03:55pm)

It takes less than $10 in materials to make a semi auto AT into full auto if someone wanted to illegally.

One of the issues I have with your proposal is the ammunition database. First off, that would require massive funding. Secondly, it solves absolutely nothing. I can go shoot 10 rounds at the firing range or I can go shoot 10 thousand. Knowing either does not make me any more likely to commit a crime not does it prevent one.

On a similar note, how it a gun registry going to prevent crime? Are all gun owners going to have their own police detail following them?



Lots of people these days use semi autos for hunting. The main downside to semi auto is (was) accuracy but there are several sub-moa (high accuracy) semi autos out there now.
Hog hunting guys often have pretty sick semi auto setups. Night vision, suppressors, semi auto, 300 blackout rounds

Quote (Lifebane99 @ Jun 10 2013 02:16am)

It prevents crime from registered weapons because if you use them to commit a crime it will be traced back to you within days.
1 spent round from every sold gun scanned into a computer system, very little funding required, hell you could recycle the lead and casing afterwards.

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Some localities, particularly Maryland, have attempted to build up a large database of "fingerprints"; in the case of the Maryland law, all new firearms sales must provide a fired case from the firearm in question to the Maryland State Police, who photograph it and log the information in a database. The Maryland State Police wrote a report critical of the program and asking the Maryland General Assembly to disband it, since it was expensive and had not contributed to solving a single crime.[3] Subsequently however, the database did provide evidence used to obtain one murder conviction at an estimated cost of 2.6 million dollars per conviction.[4]

A California Department of Justice survey, using 742 guns used by the California Highway Patrol as a test bed, showed very poor results; even with such a limited database, less than 70% of cases of the same make as the "fingerprint" case yielded the correct gun in the top 15 matches; when a different make of ammunition was used, the success rate dropped to less than 40%.

Quote (AXIS @ Jun 10 2013 04:38pm)

Perhaps you watch a little to much TV. Forensic ballistics isnt like looking at a finger print and "databases" have been tried with poor results.





edit: I also misinterpreted your statement of a database for fired rounds as a database for all rounds ever fired. But everything I said about applies
Not to mention the barrel of many guns can be easily swapped. I could fire 100 shots through my AR and then spend about ten minutes swapping out barrels and the whole process is defeated.