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Jun 8 2013 12:36pm
most of africa was a shithole and we were dying of their diseases, not so much the other way around
they also had a pretty good warrior culture and in many ways it was better to cooperate with the natives (slave traders, etc) than to needlessly antagonize them
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Jun 8 2013 12:52pm
Remember when the advanced African empires taught the Greeks and Romans math and sciences?
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Jun 8 2013 12:56pm
Disease. If the natives of the new world didn't die out due to disease, persons of European descent would not be the majority in the new world. Those in the Americas and Australia had no resistance against Old World diseases, in Africa not only were they just as immune as Europeans were, but Africa had their own diseases.

Only the open savannah areas received significant immigration. Southern Africa, Rhodesia and Kenya, because while it was hot there wasn't disease infested jungles and the soil was pretty good. Soil in most of Africa is awful, they do have plenty of resources though, just it's hard to get and the natives, unlike in the Americas, didn't really make note of them.

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Hostile arab states and deserts between them, bad farming land, a shithole where nobody would want to live, heavily populated by natives and colonization efforts seriously repulsed by warlords, a lack of known resources at the time, and yes, above all else, malaria. There aint enough jesuit bark for an entire continent.

The land down under was a similarly infertile resource barren shithole, but at least it had less aborigines with no zuluesque armies and no malaria, and the only good use for it was exile


Australia has lots of good farmland, and it's also extremely resource rich. The problem with Australia was it was so far away from everybody. If the Shogun hadn't closed down Japan in the 1600s, maybe the Japanese colonize Australia again.

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Jun 8 2013 01:00pm
Quote (TheWhiteTower @ Jun 7 2013 08:39pm)
Africa doesn't have much in the way of natural resources that other countries do


Please don't tell me you think Africa is a country.
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Jun 8 2013 01:02pm
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Please don't tell me you think Africa is a country.


did i say it was?
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Jun 8 2013 01:13pm
Quote (TheBadLuitenant @ 8 Jun 2013 07:28)
malaria


this. and other diseases. negroes have strong imunity, better than caucasians even, so thats why not Africa

all indians and aborigens have almost no imunity

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Jun 8 2013 02:30pm
Deserts and jungles in Africa are pretty complicated. It would be hard to conquer the lands ( terrain, guerrilla warfare, etc)
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Jun 8 2013 09:33pm
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Deserts and jungles in Africa are pretty complicated. It would be hard to conquer the lands ( terrain, guerrilla warfare, etc)


So are the jungles of Brazil and the Yucatan. Geography wasn't the issue, what lived inside the geography was the issue.
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Jun 8 2013 10:21pm
Quote (Skinned @ Jun 8 2013 03:26am)
They wouldn't have been able to.

It only happened in the US because the natives were already dying off in massive numbers from plague and other reasons when the Europeans landed.

If the indigenous North Americans were what they were a couple hundreds years prior it would have been considerably different.


Yep, the Americas were far more populated than Europe at that point in history. If it weren't for smallpox most of the early colonists would have been wiped out.

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Remember when the advanced African empires taught the Greeks and Romans math and sciences?


Ingrained ethno-centrism. We don't remember because it isn't convenient for our society to acknowledge.

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Jun 8 2013 10:47pm
Disease for a long time. Settle populations were tried in some areas, but the expense and timing was not the same as North America.
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