Quote (Lifebane99 @ May 18 2013 08:57am)

Pull out method is great if you want to be a dad.

Quote (Skinned @ May 19 2013 12:00am)

Because women can get pregnant without sperm?  Before you answer be informed that the stuff that leaks out during doesn't have living sperm in it contrary to urban legends.

Whoever said that they pulled out and the woman got pregnant anyway didn't really pull out (not enough discipline and let a squirt in) or they're privileged with an immaculate conception.

Quote (Lifebane99 @ May 18 2013 09:01am)

Contrary to urban legends?
ANY doctor will tell you precum has spermatoza present.

Quote (Skinned @ May 19 2013 12:06am)

Did you have a doctor tell you that?  It isn't called pre-cum either, it is pre-ejaculate, and it gets the path ready for the real thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-ejaculate

Research routinely finds no levels of sperm in it, and when they do it is trace amounts from a previous shot.

So if you fired one off earlier then it is risky.  So your doctor isn't completely wrong, he is wrong with an *.

Quote (Lifebane99 @ May 18 2013 08:07am)

How about circumstances where a woman tampers with your birth control or lies about her own..

Quote (Skinned @ May 18 2013 09:57am)

He made the decision when he decided to raw dog and bail broski.  Say what you will but pulling out has been 100% effective for me for over a decade.  I can count the times I didn't, and they're running around my living room bugging me for cereal and stuff this morning.

Whether or not the man gets fucked over is contingent on the man's feelings on wanting children or not.  I guess if having a kid = getting fucked over then the meaning of life is apparently to get fucked over.

You have a personal responsibility to watch where you put your dick and whether or not you want to leave it in there or wear a condom.  That is an active decision.  Don't act as if it isn't.

Do they not teach sexual education in Australia?  Procreation would have to be a complete mystery to somebody to believe that men have no free will into the matter.

Quote (Lifebane99 @ May 18 2013 09:07am)

How about circumstances where a woman tampers with your birth control or lies about her own..

Quote (hedonism @ May 18 2013 09:12am)

If the woman wants the right to control what happens to her body, she has a responsibility to give or not give consent to a man who won't wear a condom.  I can't stand the double standard of treating women as the helpless victims only when it's convenient for them.

I've been turned down so many times for not having a condom, even when we were drunk.

I don't really see the subject as a question of parenthood, because anybody could have given her those pills.  I think he should face criminal charges, but those charges shouldn't be special or different just because he was the father.

Quote (Skinned @ May 18 2013 08:13am)

If you mate with somebody of poor character then you ought to have used better judgement

Too many good women out there to be messing with the ones of ill repute.

AKA you lay down with dogs and you wake up with fleas.

Quote (killgoreisleet @ May 18 2013 09:13am)

So, the woman in the op should just get over it then?