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Quote (Lifebane99 @ May 16 2013 12:56am)
For one you build a tolerance to any of them that requires you to take more dangerous doses over time to feel the same high, which often leads to death.


as is the case with alcohol, especially if one has a genetic tendency to become an alcoholic

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For two withdrawals are so bad that you would steal from your own family just to get another hit.


as is the case with alcohol, benzodiazepines and whatever else might fiddle with GABAA
in fact alcohol withdrawal would be potentially lethal even if the psychosis that often accompanies it did not exist

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For three the effects of all three are very different and legalization making them all easier to get would make it easier to get all three at once, which would certainly lead to more deaths.


i do not know about that

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For four we would see an increase of use with legalization, just like idiots who take up smoking now knowing the risks, just to look cool.


how about the positive effects seen in Portugal that came with the elimination of criminal penalties for drug offenses?
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as is the case with alcohol, especially if one has a genetic tendency to become an alcoholic



as is the case with alcohol, benzodiazepines and whatever else might fiddle with GABAA
in fact alcohol withdrawal would be potentially lethal even if the psychosis that often accompanies it did not exist



i do not know about that



how about the positive effects seen in Portugal that came with the elimination of criminal penalties for drug offenses?

You are really trying to compare alcohol to heroin?
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May 15 2013 04:07pm
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You are really trying to compare alcohol to heroin?


Obviously the same thing.

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You are really trying to compare alcohol to heroin?


why should i not?
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May 15 2013 04:09pm
Quote (Gastly @ May 16 2013 08:08am)
why should i not?


Because one sip of rum will not kill you.
One syringe full of bad or overly strong heroin will do it within a few minutes.

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Illicit drugs serve only to cloud one's mind and pervert their understanding of themselves. They can find no spiritual satisfaction in their hedonism. They are unable to be at terms with one's self. In order to reach a level of spiritual bliss, one cannot forfeit their sobriety.

Those who seek to use these substances and wish for others to participate as well aim only to destroy themselves and society around them. There can be no forgiveness, for their crime is undeniable in its severity. The only just consequence is death.
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why should i not?


Because you can't do so seriously. It is just bad trolling.
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May 15 2013 04:14pm
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Because one sip of rum will not kill you.
One syringe full of bad heroin will do it within a few minutes.


GHB (a GABAA-agonist) and heroin both have a lethal dose of less than 10 times the effective dose (i think it was 8 for heroin, can't be arsed to check) and for alcohol, cocaine and MDMA the lethal dose is from 10 to 20 times the effective dose
however, i'd say that the long term effects of alcohol are not only comparable to - but also potentially worse than those of many drugs
... you know, alcohol really is a humongous problem in Russia

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Because you can't do so seriously.


i don't know about that, i think i'm certainly able to do so very seriously

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GHB (a GABAA-agonist) and heroin both have a lethal dose of less than 10 times the effective dose (i think it was 8 for heroin, can't be arsed to check) and for alcohol, cocaine and MDMA the lethal dose is from 10 to 20 times the effective dose
... you know, alcohol really is a humongous problem in Russia


If you were actually street smart instead of theory crafting you would realize the effective dose of alcohol is around 2 drinks, meaning it takes 20-40 drinks worth to die from it..
Heroin can have a lethal dose in one syringe, and a lethal dose for some one with a high tolerance is much closer than 8 times.
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If you were actually street smart instead of theory crafting you would realize the effective dose of alcohol is around 2 drinks, meaning it takes 20-40 drinks worth to die from it.


more or less depending on the person, i've certainly got no trouble trying to imagine a young female dying from alcohol poisoning

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Heroin can have a lethal dose in one syringe


presuming that it is absolutely pure, which i'd presume it is not - and depending on the method of administration
i'd presume that injecting similar amounts of alcohol would also have similar results :)

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and a lethal dose for some one with a high tolerance is much closer than 8 times.


well that certainly is an odd kind of tolerance...
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