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Aug 1 2012 11:56pm
Quote (thundercock @ Aug 1 2012 11:25pm)
I'm dangerously close to giving up state and national politics.  This election is really really awful. I don't remember it being this bad and I remember the elections from 1992 on.



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George Wallace
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....back when Presidential elections were more genteel ;)
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Aug 1 2012 11:57pm
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....back when Presidential elections were more genteel  ;)


hahaha right?

I wish we could go back to the days when American politics was all about sipping tea and calmly compromising with the other side. You know, like 10,000 BC.
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Aug 2 2012 12:05am
Quote (thundercock @ Aug 2 2012 03:25pm)
I'm dangerously close to giving up state and national politics.  This election is really really awful.  I don't remember it being this bad and I remember the elections from 1992 on.


they aint never had this much cash to splash before
reminds me of tolerian politics in the belgariad

about the only place you get that kind of social commentary anymore , fantasy novels ....
i guess its the only acceptable place left to say the horrible words " the emperor has no clothes "
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Aug 2 2012 12:31am
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Aug 1 2012 09:57pm)
hahaha right? 

I wish we could go back to the days when American politics was all about sipping tea and calmly compromising with the other side.  You know, like 10,000 BC.


Reading campaign ads from the 1800s is hilarious. Presidential candidates calling each other agnostic pedophiles lol. FDR is the asshat who gave us politics today.
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Aug 2 2012 07:04am
Quote (Matao @ Aug 1 2012 02:59pm)
lol at socialist


I agree. Fascist remedial math student would be a better fit.
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Aug 2 2012 07:12am
Quote (sylvannos @ Aug 2 2012 01:31am)
Reading campaign ads from the 1800s is hilarious. Presidential candidates calling each other agnostic pedophiles lol. FDR is the asshat who gave us politics today.


Are you kidding? Thomas Jefferson paid newspaper reporters to smear the name of John Adams during the second presidential election and write articles against him.

The only president that wasn't subject to these sort of attacks was George Washington...and he surely would have if he had run for a third term.

People love blaming FDR for things but dirty commercial politics he is not guilty of creating.
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Aug 2 2012 03:28pm
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Are you kidding?  Thomas Jefferson paid newspaper reporters to smear the name of John Adams during the second presidential election and write articles against him.

The only president that wasn't subject to these sort of attacks was George Washington...and he surely would have if he had run for a third term.

People love blaming FDR for things but dirty commercial politics he is not guilty of creating.


No no no, I mean:

Prior to FDR politics was a gruesome affair in the U.S. Jefferson was one of those who spread outright lies about candidates. I think responses to Jefferson's campaign were that he was a drunken agnostic. Nevermind the Hamilton-Burr duel or the Sumner Cane Incident. A politician inflicting physical harm on another is unheard of today.

My reference to FDR being an asshat was sarcastic. But his politics were far different than anything else any candidate had ever done. Up until FDR, candidates were very direct with what they would do in office. Or they ran vicious negative campaign ads. FDR changed the way politicians think.

For example, he promised to audit the banks when elected. This didn't require any legislation and didn't actually impose any regulations. But what it did do is make FDR look like he had a plan. If the bank audits backfired, FDR could easily brush it off as no harm done. If it succeeded in restoring American economic confidence, he could ride it out.

Politicians do this all the time now. Look at the Obama campaign. "Change" is pretty vague, but it was low risk, high reward. Compare that to how direct Lincoln was with his campaign that the south threatened to succeed (and did) if he was elected.

In short, FDR invented modern American politics of not beating the opposing candidates' faces in with a rifle butt while calling them homosexual communist pedophiles.
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Aug 2 2012 03:30pm
Quote (sylvannos @ Aug 2 2012 04:28pm)
No no no, I mean:

Prior to FDR politics was a gruesome affair in the U.S. Jefferson was one of those who spread outright lies about candidates. I think responses to Jefferson's campaign were that he was a drunken agnostic. Nevermind the Hamilton-Burr duel or the Sumner Cane Incident. A politician inflicting physical harm on another is unheard of today.

My reference to FDR being an asshat was sarcastic. But his politics were far different than anything else any candidate had ever done. Up until FDR, candidates were very direct with what they would do in office. Or they ran vicious negative campaign ads. FDR changed the way politicians think.

For example, he promised to audit the banks when elected. This didn't require any legislation and didn't actually impose any regulations. But what it did do is make FDR look like he had a plan. If the bank audits backfired, FDR could easily brush it off as no harm done. If it succeeded in restoring American economic confidence, he could ride it out.

Politicians do this all the time now. Look at the Obama campaign. "Change" is pretty vague, but it was low risk, high reward. Compare that to how direct Lincoln was with his campaign that the south threatened to succeed (and did) if he was elected.

In short, FDR invented modern American politics of not beating the opposing candidates' faces in with a rifle butt while calling them homosexual communist pedophiles.


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Aug 2 2012 03:31pm
Quote (sylvannos @ Aug 2 2012 05:28pm)
No no no, I mean:

Prior to FDR politics was a gruesome affair in the U.S. Jefferson was one of those who spread outright lies about candidates. I think responses to Jefferson's campaign were that he was a drunken agnostic. Nevermind the Hamilton-Burr duel or the Sumner Cane Incident. A politician inflicting physical harm on another is unheard of today.

My reference to FDR being an asshat was sarcastic. But his politics were far different than anything else any candidate had ever done. Up until FDR, candidates were very direct with what they would do in office. Or they ran vicious negative campaign ads. FDR changed the way politicians think.

For example, he promised to audit the banks when elected. This didn't require any legislation and didn't actually impose any regulations. But what it did do is make FDR look like he had a plan. If the bank audits backfired, FDR could easily brush it off as no harm done. If it succeeded in restoring American economic confidence, he could ride it out.

Politicians do this all the time now. Look at the Obama campaign. "Change" is pretty vague, but it was low risk, high reward. Compare that to how direct Lincoln was with his campaign that the south threatened to succeed (and did) if he was elected.

In short, FDR invented modern American politics of not beating the opposing candidates' faces in with a rifle butt while calling them homosexual communist pedophiles.


...and that was the last thing anyone needed or wanted ! ( priceless ) :thumbsup:
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Aug 2 2012 03:36pm
Quote (joshd21 @ Aug 1 2012 12:17pm)
First off. I am not a Republican or a Democrat. I will actually prolly end up voting for Romney because of my dislike for Obama


BUT.. With that said


How and the hell are you going to use the "You didnt build that" for the foundation of your political campaign. I saw the video and was shocked at what Obama said.

Looking into it you can clearly tell that was no where near what he was meaning.

Way to take his words completely out of meaning.

The only people that are going to see that and actually believe it (after watching the real video) are the stubborn republicans.

All the others (ex. those on the fence) will see right through this terrible attack at Obama. Realizing that Romney is becoming very desperate.


I think its sad. Desperate people come to desperate measures. I think all of politics are corrupt. Its deciding the lesser of the two evils.

Sorry if this has been posted before, as I am sure it has. This is just how I feel, looking at the situation from both sides.

Rant over.


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