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#21

Jul 31 2012 04:04pm

Quote (balrog66 @ Jul 31 2012 06:32am)

Obesity and morbid obesity are classified by doctors.

If this topic is about people who are classified as obese and morbidly obese, then I will agree with you.

But you only used the word 'fat' in the first post and that is very misleading.

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#22

Jul 31 2012 05:46pm

Quote (kayeto @ Jul 31 2012 05:04pm)

If this topic is about people who are classified as obese and morbidly obese, then I will agree with you.

But you only used the word 'fat' in the first post and that is very misleading.

Overweight is also a defined term.

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#23

Jul 31 2012 07:34pm

YESSS

This gives me the chance to post this:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120725200304.htm

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Modern lifestyles are generally quite different from those of our hunter-gatherer ancestors, a fact that some claim as the cause of the current rise in global obesity, but new results published July 25 in the open access journal PLoS ONE find that there is no difference between the energy expenditure of modern hunter-gatherers and Westerners, casting doubt on this theory.

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Despite spending their days trekking long distances to forage for wild plants and game, the Hadza burned no more calories each day than adults in the U.S. and Europe. The team ran several analyses accounting for the effects of body weight, body fat percentage, age, and gender. In all analyses, daily energy expenditure among the Hadza hunter-gatherers was indistinguishable from that of Westerners. The study was the first to measure energy expenditure in hunter-gatherers directly; previous studies had relied entirely on estimates.

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This in turn supports the view that the current rise in obesity is due to increased food consumption, not decreased energy expenditure.

The authors emphasize that physical exercise is nonetheless important for maintaining good health. In fact, the Hadza spend a greater percentage of their daily energy budget on physical activity than Westerners do, which may contribute to the health and vitality evident among older Hadza. Still, the similarity in daily energy expenditure between Hadza hunter-gatherers and Westerners suggests that we have more to learn about human physiology and health, particularly in non-Western settings.

Okay, so the Hadza spend more of their calories on doing things like walking and stuff, but still. Physical exercise is not the only or most important thing driving obesity. It has to do more with the food we eat and how much we eat of it. So no, it's not because people are lazy asses.

While some people do need to cut back on how much food they eat, that problem in my opinion ties into the quality of the food we now eat. This is described in many sources, but one I'd like to highlight is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiCRwMMh9k8

Corn has been gradually bred to have more and more sugar and carb content and less protein content, and now it's in our food all over the world. We've got so much of it due to subsidies, and on top of that resources are now being diverted from beef to it because it's much cheaper and more lucrative to produce. Considering that its syrup can contribute to diabetes... yeah. Everyone is pretty much poisoning themselves because of this.

(On a somewhat unrelated note, high fructose corn syrup can also produce hyperactivity. I wonder if that's contributing to a lot of brain dysfunction? :mellow:

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Edit: Gosh darnit youtube video isn't embedding.

This post was edited by catkaboodle on Jul 31 2012 07:37pm

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Jul 31 2012 07:39pm

Quote (taekvideo @ Aug 1 2012 02:03am)

That wouldn't be very helpful. Physical activity is great for being healthy, but it doesn't work alone, without a change in diet.
It doesn't matter how many PE classes they take if they're still consuming 4500 calories a day.

Except for the part where obesity is only a recent epidemic caused by cheap and widespread availability of junk food in the western diet, and how previously healthy people often become overweight or obese after moving to America.

Except for the part where i said it happens in childhood not at birth.
Also they have taken twins put them with different families with different foods and exercise, they ended up the same weight in most cases.

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Jul 31 2012 07:40pm

Quote (catkaboodle @ Aug 1 2012 11:34am)

YESSS

This gives me the chance to post this:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120725200304.htm

Okay, so the Hadza spend more of their calories on doing things like walking and stuff, but still. Physical exercise is not the only or most important thing driving obesity. It has to do more with the food we eat and how much we eat of it. So no, it's not because people are lazy asses.

While some people do need to cut back on how much food they eat, that problem in my opinion ties into the quality of the food we now eat. This is described in many sources, but one I'd like to highlight is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiCRwMMh9k8

Corn has been gradually bred to have more and more sugar and carb content and less protein content, and now it's in our food all over the world. We've got so much of it due to subsidies, and on top of that resources are now being diverted from beef to it because it's much cheaper and more lucrative to produce. Considering that its syrup can contribute to diabetes... yeah. Everyone is pretty much poisoning themselves because of this.

(On a somewhat unrelated note, high fructose corn syrup can also produce hyperactivity. I wonder if that's contributing to a lot of brain dysfunction? :mellow:

)

Edit: Gosh darnit youtube video isn't embedding.

We banned that corn in australia, along with high fructose corn syrup, because it tastes terrible and is terrible for you.

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#26

Jul 31 2012 08:53pm

If a fat person takes two seats they should pay twice as much as a person that takes one seat. How is that unfair? A two-seater uses twice as much space and twice as much fuel as a one-seater. I really don't see a problem with it.

Quote (catkaboodle @ Jul 31 2012 09:34pm)

Edit: Gosh darnit youtube video isn't embedding.

YouTube videos don't embed if you have a quote block in your post.

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Jul 31 2012 11:08pm

Calories aren't the problem, it's trans and saturated fats. You can burn calories sleeping. Trans and saturated fats are the ones that stick with you and develop into long-term energy storage (read: weight gain) rather than calories, which are meant for short-term energy storage. As such, calories burn much more easily because they're required to maintain bodily functions; fat burns harder because it's primarily burned when calories alone aren't providing the necessary energy. That's why people work out: to burn the trans and saturated fats, not calories. Common misconception regarding weight-loss and exercise metrics.

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#28

Jul 31 2012 11:10pm

Quote (BardOfXiix @ Jul 31 2012 11:08pm)

But, but, but, calorie counting!

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#29

Jul 31 2012 11:13pm

Quote (AEtheric @ Jul 31 2012 11:10pm)

But, but, but, calorie counting!

If you limit your daily calorie intake, the more fat you will burn when you combine a calorie conscious diet with an exercise routine.

That's why people calorie count. And that's why you have to both diet and exercise to lose weight.

Bard is right though. I though that was an excellent post.

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#30

Jul 31 2012 11:14pm

Quote (AEtheric @ Jul 31 2012 10:10pm)

But, but, but, calorie counting!

I know, it's so much more fun because you can get huge numbers counting calories, and you get itsy bitsy numbers counting fat burning (usually). But the bottom line is that you'll probably burn all the calories you take in (unless it's a grossly excess amount); you should be more concerned with minimizing your fat intake and exercising.

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