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May 15 2011 09:30pm
Quote (Torm1 @ May 15 2011 09:16pm)
Most of them were written 1000+ years before the birth of Jesus, and it just so happened that Jesus fulfilled them all to the letter without actually being able to plan any of it out.


jesus christ did a fun act of "fulfilling" all the prophecies by having people retroactively rewrite his history a hundred years after he died, did he?
just throw in some b.s. about a virgin birth and then skip 20 years of his life and say "whoops"

But anyone familiar with the roots of monotheism can trace it all the way back to sun god worship.
Theres a whole history you deny yourself from human development by looking at such a short sighted picture.

The "story of jesus" was plagiarized by taking stories out of other existing tales and religions of their contemporary time, often wholesale.
Come now, that shit wasn't even written well.


If I told you a story about a "son" who "died" and then "resurrected", someone who magically made loaves of bread and was a good sheperd to his people, whos birth was announced by a star, who walked on water
Am I talking about Jesus, or am I talking about Horus? Haha.
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May 15 2011 09:34pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 15 2011 10:11pm)
Most effective military in limiting civilian deaths?
What flavor zionist IDF koolaid is that? You make me chuckle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra%5Fand%5FShatila%5Fmassacre

Done by Phalangists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%5Fflotilla%5Fraid

Talked about ad nauseam on these boards.  I'm sure you thought those on Mavi were just innocent bystanders and did nothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS%5FLiberty%5Fincident

Massive goalpost shift

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya%5Fmassacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilabun%5Fmassacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safsaf%5Fmassacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein%5Fal-Zeitun%5Fmassacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balad%5Fal-Shaykh%5FMassacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%5FWar


hell I could go on for days with this shit



Did you ever consider that besides the whole "massacring tens of thousands of men women and children (raping many of the women apparently too)", the basic tenet of oh, you know, stealing their land and bulldozing their houses and living on the, might be a cause for "civilian casualties"? The problem of "israel" and "civilian casualties" is an existential one.


Now compare all of these fifty year old "massacres" with recent skirmishes in other parts of the world. Since you're really good at finding stats on irrelevant things like vending machine deaths this shouldn't be too hard.

Hell here's an old post I made on a related topic so you don't even have to look.

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Now I do not condone the deaths of civilians but I think it is important to have some type of perspective on this matter since you and so many like you are so quick to scream "Genocide!" and "Holocaust!" like an imbecile.

Let's look at some numbers from the past decade.  According to B'Tselem, a human rights organization that works in the occupied territories, between September 2000 through March 2010 there have been 3,391 Palestinians killed during the course of a targeted killing and/or were not directly involved in the conflict.  I'll also included the 408 that it was not known if they were involved in the hostilities.  The 10 year death toll is 3,799 Palestinians that were killed during the course of targeted killing, not involved in hostilities and not known to be involved in the hostilities.  Let's look at other conflicts and engagements over the years.

Darfur - UN ests. approx 300,000 deaths from 2006 to 2008 http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/04/22/darfur.holmes/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
Battle of Grozny - estimates the Russians killed 25,000 civilians in 1994 over a 3 month period
Srebrenica Massacre - Serb militia kills over 8,000 Bosnian Muslims in a 12 day span in July 1995  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre
Hama Massacre - Syrians kill between 7,000 and 40,000 on Feb 2, 1982 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_massacre
I can continue if needed.

So back to your premise which is that Israel's actions are tantamount to trying to exterminate the Palestinians.  If we hold that to be true and Israel's goal is to kill as many Palestinians as possible and the best they have done in the last 10 years is 3,799 (not including enemy combatants but if we include them the number is about 6,000 - 6,500) what conclusions are we to draw as observers?  My conclusion would have to be that Israel, with one of the most technologically advanced armies in the world fighting in a densely populated area, is one of the most ineffective killing machines of all time.



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May 15 2011 09:37pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 15 2011 10:30pm)
The "story of jesus" was plagiarized by taking stories out of other existing tales and religions of their contemporary time, often wholesale.
Come now, that shit wasn't even written well.


If Jesus' existence is a myth, why did Nero blame Christians for the well documented burning of Rome in 64AD?

Probably good for a new thread, but since you seem to do nothing but bring extraneous tidbits into a discussion in an attempt to somehow legitimize your failing position, I'd expect that thread to be derailed in short order anyways.
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May 15 2011 09:38pm
Evolution, hard at work, is what it was. Its easy to see why anyone religious would vehemently deny evolution to me. Its not simply a matter of disagreeing with "dates and times and numbers" of when and how man rose. Evolutionary theory unravels the loose threads upon the tapestry that is organized religion. Religion spreads as a virus, infecting the minds of people. The religions that survive are those that pass natural selection- those that encourage reproduction (missionaries), those that impose themselves on others, those that have evolved to compete with other religions. There can be no coexistence of so many of those ancient monotheistic ways. So explicit, aren't they? "I am the one true god, every other persons god is false". Is that christianity, or islam, or judiasm, or what? You can see the geographical differences as those religions which never competed with each other for resources to reproduce (human minds) did not develop these same sense of antagonism. Theres nothing about japanese shinto that says "you must kill any infidels that worship jesus", and buddhism has started how many wars? (0)


We as a people and culture have evolved so disparately in so many areas, evidence of a true chaos of nature. We have giant penises and brains, but poor eyesight and high aggression. We learned enough technology to put a man on the moon, but we still can't convince people on the earth that the moon isn't a god and the heavens aren't above our heads. And that is part of the true travesty that is the human condition
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May 15 2011 09:42pm
Quote (thundercock @ May 16 2011 04:34am)
It's Israel's fault that they are much more efficient and better organized than the Palestinians.  Shame on Israel for having a superior military.  Shame on America for having a better military than the Japanese in WW2.  Shame on America for having a better military than Afghanistan. Shame on the British for being able to defend against the Germans in WW2.


By sacrificing thousands of Australian lives -_-
Russia owned germany.
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May 15 2011 09:47pm
Quote (JBoney @ May 15 2011 09:34pm)
Now compare all of these fifty year old "massacres" with recent skirmishes in other parts of the world.  Since you're really good at finding stats on irrelevant things like vending machine deaths this shouldn't be too hard. 


Sure, like I said before, I'll compare it to the skirmishes fought in the last 50 years by scandinavians.

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As I said, the fact israel exists, and its existence displaces and kills palestinians, is a cause for civilian deaths.



You want me to look at figures from serbian massacres and sudanese? Have I not already explained this this thread? You are all fucked. You are all fucked in the head, in the military, everywhere.
Just because you're massacring less civilians than those in darfur doesn't make it A-OK. Saying "there are greater evils" doesn't justify anything.
Massacring is massacring. Blockading an entire population and shooting them with machine guns and rockets any time they protest- nothing justifys that.


Theres an entire western world (sans America) thats become civilized and moved away from committing these atrocities, and israel is far removed from that.
If your argument is "well theres worse serbians", then I reject your argument and spit on it. The nazi's killed 6 million jews in ovens. That doesn't mean it would be "OK" to kill just 1 million jews, since it would be a "lesser massacre"
Nothing justifies massacres, nothing justifies atrocities and war crimes and nothing justifies the killing of innocent civilians and peaceful protestors and peace activists.



You want examples of "recent massacres"? Look over that list I just gave you. What happened on the Gaza Flotilla? Care to explain that? Were your precious IDF commands "ambushed" by a surly gang of suicide bombing terrorists armed with.... ceremonial sikh knives and pieces of pipe from the boat?
Hahaha, I can't wait to hear your revisionist liar zionist history of that one. The ones on wikipedia have been hard at work "sanitizing" the article about it to completely lie about what happened. Anyone can watch the videos, watch snipers shoot unarmed people and men with SMG's rail down peace activists.
But the israeli machine is a well oiled one, massacring civilians and then lying about it to cover their tracks and feed their propaganda machine. Hell, yesterday and today they killed another 15 kids and called it "protecting their sovereignty".
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May 15 2011 09:51pm
I don't even want to wait to hear the revisionism applied to the gaza flotilla. It just offends my eyes.
So I'll preempt it by reposting one of the highlight reels of zionist spin doctoring.

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A- She was protecting terrorists.

B- She was standing on top of a tunnel used to smuggle weapons

C- Maybe, just maybe, Rachel Corrie knowingly aided and abetted
cold-blooded murderers.

D- A blindingly obvious fact about Rachel Corrie and all the other
objectively pro-terror swine of the International Solidarity Movement:
they know perfectly well what they are doing.

A- She and others converged on Israeli territories and knowingly
supported terrorists.

B- Corrie and her friends would have had to be blind not to notice.

C- ISM members accused the driver of the murder even before
the military had time to investigate the incident.

D- When you lie down in front of bulldozers to help terrorists
smuggle weapons, you might die.

A- Rachel Corrie lived the life of a terrorist

B- and died the life of a terrorist.

C- The driver of the bulldozer may not have seen Corrie.

D- ISM'ers who stayed with Gaza families might have seen
the tunnels themselves.

A- During deliveries, people would have been hauling the goods
out of the homes.

B- Maybe Corrie herself did some heavy lifting.

E- Young Rachel..plain..rebellious..naif…

C- But it also seems possible that Rachel Corrie was clueless
purposely left that way so that she would feel more motivated
to let herself be bulldozed.

E- Rachel meets an older man... with a handsome Edward Said
mask… he seduces her... hallals her hard as can be in her behind...

C- I'm not defending her, but I think she was doomed by her
education and by a family who were obviously schooled
in the same trash.

E- Said abandons her… sends her to her inevitable doom...

D- But... but... they weren't helping "terrorists". They were
assisting "freedom fighters" in their battle against white
capitalist and imperialist oppressors who were tools of
the American colonialist war machine... Sarcasm off now.
I read she was a member of Hamas.

E- Rap sound track… pink panther motif... in the last scene...
the Said character takes off his Western mask, puts on his
fanged Pan-Arab one, while sodomizing her dead body and
ululating to the cheers.

A- The most hateful, poisonous, anti-Semitic individuals
I have encountered.

E- the cheers of the London glitterati.

D- No. She despised America and Israel and romanticized
"Palestinian" terrorists.

E- You're right I'll have to change the ending... Rachel wakes
from a bad dream. The Edward Said-masked figure put his
10-inch weapon in her mouth. Chomp, chomp...

D- She was no innocent flower.

E- chomp, chomp, chomp. chomp. the masked figure becomes
Othello… who strangles her to death...

D- She knew the score.

A- People only care because she was blond and American

D- Impeach Rachel Corrie!

B- They act as lookouts for Israeli helicopters coming to arrest
Palestinians involved in the mass murder industry.

A- They attempt to stall soldiers at checkpoints thereby allowing
terrorists to pass.

B- They call in the positions of Israeli troops to Palestinian terrorists

C- who then use the info

D- to attack Israel.

C- I would get mad, too, if I thought Israel had no reason to be
bulldozing houses.

D- The ringleader was happy to let her stand in front of a bulldozer,
but I guess he didn't feel much like doing it himself.

B- I see what you mean. She was either - one, complicit; or - two,
far too stupid to live.

A- Still gotta go with choice number one.

D- Every Islamic pal or useful idiot has their "expires by" "this date".
Corrie matched the criteria for that day. Next! Step right up:
death awaits.

B- Put up that pic of her peacefully destroying a poorly made US flag.

E- Which do you folks think is more awesome?

A dead old man's face on webforums just to get people,
or cheering on the gruesome bulldozing to death
of a young American woman?

B- You mean the old man who actively supported and planned
the death of Jews?

A- and the young woman who actively supported terrorists?

D- Do I think Saint Pancake got what she deserved?

B- No screaming Rachel pictures?

C- More pancake jokes, please.

E- For my 2 cents, Edward Said is responsible for killing Rachel Corrie,
cold-blooded foot-noted academic murder…

C- She wasn't run over by the bulldozer...

E- the only kind there is...

C- but critically injured by debris being knocked over by it.

B- Rachel was only a tool.

D- So she was killed with a Caterpillar D-9

A- The ISM doesn't bother to update their website regularly on her:
this just confirms she was a tool.

D- I met someone yesterday who works for Caterpillar.

E- I would erase anyone with the D-9, and I have demolished plenty.

D- He was somewhat familiar with Corrie - his term was 'stupid' -
but not as informed as we are here.

E- I wanted to destroy everything. I begged the officers, over the radio,
to let me knock it all down; from top to bottom.

D- By the way, CAT revenues and profits are up!

B- Some day, if I'm in the area…

E- For three days, I just destroyed and destroyed.

B- I'm gonna piss on her grave.

E- I didn't see, with my own eyes, people dying under the blade of the D-9.
But if there were any, I wouldn't care at all.
If you knocked down a house, you buried 40 or 50 people.
I had lots of satisfaction in Jenin, lots of satisfaction.
No one expressed any reservations against doing it.
Who would dare speak?

C- Poor Rachel,

E- If anyone would as much as open his mouth,

C- she ran and ran,

E- I would have buried him under the D-9.

C- but just couldn't get away from the evil bulldozer.

B- I remember a bus bombing in Israel and the ISM rep showing up
at the scene almost immediately. Coincky dinky, don't you think?

A- It was before the Rachel Corrie pancaking. I think.

C- That reminds me, I'm out of maple syrup.

D- Since you're asking, I'll favour "gruesome bulldozing”
to “death of the young American woman".

A- Rachel Corrie was giving aid and comfort to terrorists
who soak shrapnel in rat poison, then wrap it in explosives
and detonate it in school buses and pizza parlours
because they hate Jews.

E- Wait a minute guys. While I expect that RC was knowingly
aiding and abetting Hamas, and not just a loon or a useful fool,
we haven't provided any hard information to confirm that.

D- Probably not all that important, given that she was just
small potatoes.

B- I have on another computer... I can't access it now
emergency room photographs that prove
that she was not run over by a bulldozer.
I mean, she was in an emergency room.
She was pretty mangled, but the Defence Force didn't do it,
seeing as she was not run over by a bulldozer.
It appears that she ran scared from the bulldozer
and found refuge in a moving pile of dirt that was being
displaced by the bulldozer.
She was crushed by moving dirt,
which caused her injuries that,
together with Palestinian medical care,
eventually led to her untimely death.

A- If Rachel Corrie was intentionally crushed,
they would not have squeegied her off the dirt
and brought her to the emergency room,

C- because she would be dead.

E- Her internals would be squirted all over the surrounding ground.

B- The opposing side's theory is that Rachel Corrie basically stood
in front of a bulldozer and protested as it rolled over

A- her feet

B- her legs

E- her thighs

D- her midsections

C- her abdomen

A- her ribcage

B- and her head.

D- Only a Muslim government would do that to a person.

E- Put up the photos! You know which ones!

A- The photos showing Corrie talking before the bulldozer
with a megaphone are not time-sequential.

B- She died for nothing other than to be a pain in the ass

C- and to help the PLO terrorists

D- Whatever she suffered in dying doesn't compare with Jews
maimed and killed by the weapons smuggled through the tunnels
by the most vile, disgusting, blood-thirsty and fascistic people
to come along since the Nazis: the Palestinians.

E- Ugly, dead flat bitch Rachel Corrie is one less Nazi in the world.

D- I sincerely hope that lots of ISM scum lie down in front
of the dozers and join the Palestinian worm-farm in hell.

A- Don't play with matches

B- Don't play over the railroad tracks.

A- Don't play in front of moving bulldozers.

E- Corrie's parents, who raised a daughter to aid in the killing
of Israeli babies by helping terrorists to smuggle weapons
from Egypt will be appearing at this church in Barkly.

D- We should mount a demonstration outside.

C- It wouldn't hurt to flood their phone lines asking for information

E- This is their number.

D- This is their website.

B- I have long suspected that Corrie was killed in the Arab "hospital",
but I have started to wonder if she was also raped and sodomized there,
as well,

A- and if that helped lead to her death:

E- are the autopsy photos on the Net anywhere?

C- I vote for she died on the operating table, as she was worth more
as a martyr than a cripple to ship home, and provided invaluable
propaganda merchandise.

E- Keep the pancake jokes coming!

D- You know which picture I mean?

E- Can you put it up?

A- My heart goes out to the driver of the bulldozer.

B- Rachel Corrie who wanted to help blow up Jewish babies.

A- He was the real victim.

C- A blindingly obvious fact.

E- The comments section is now closed.

Silence
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Quote (Goomshill @ May 15 2011 10:47pm)
Sure, like I said before, I'll compare it to the skirmishes fought in the last 50 years by scandinavians.

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As I said, the fact israel exists, and its existence displaces and kills palestinians, is a cause for civilian deaths.



You want me to look at figures from serbian massacres and sudanese? Have I not already explained this this thread? You are all fucked. You are all fucked in the head, in the military, everywhere.
Just because you're massacring less civilians than those in darfur doesn't make it A-OK. Saying "there are greater evils" doesn't justify anything.
Massacring is massacring. Blockading an entire population and shooting them with machine guns and rockets any time they protest- nothing justifys that.


Theres an entire western world (sans America) thats become civilized and moved away from committing these atrocities, and israel is far removed from that.
If your argument is "well theres worse serbians", then I reject your argument and spit on it. The nazi's killed 6 million jews in ovens. That doesn't mean it would be "OK" to kill just 1 million jews, since it would be a "lesser massacre"
Nothing justifies massacres, nothing justifies atrocities and war crimes and nothing justifies the killing of innocent civilians and peaceful protestors and peace activists.



You want examples of "recent massacres"? Look over that list I just gave you. What happened on the Gaza Flotilla? Care to explain that? Were your precious IDF commands "ambushed" by a surly gang of suicide bombing terrorists armed with.... ceremonial sikh knives and pieces of pipe from the boat?
Hahaha, I can't wait to hear your revisionist liar zionist history of that one. The ones on wikipedia have been hard at work "sanitizing" the article about it to completely lie about what happened. Anyone can watch the videos, watch snipers shoot unarmed people and men with SMG's rail down peace activists.
But the israeli machine is a well oiled one, massacring civilians and then lying about it to cover their tracks and feed their propaganda machine. Hell, yesterday and today they killed another 15 kids and called it "protecting their sovereignty".


If your argument is that the qassam rockets hurt less than vending machines, then I reject your argument and spit on it. Hilarious how you do not see what a hypocritical retard you are. Also you obv completely overlooked this disclaimer to fit this narrative you want to spew:

Now I do not condone the deaths of civilians but I think it is important to have some type of perspective on this matter since you and so many like you are so quick to scream "Genocide!" and "Holocaust!" like an imbecile.

Plenty has been said on the Mavi and you can search the archives for my original postings on it. Going forward though I'm glad I can easily dismiss anything you have to say.
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May 15 2011 10:01pm
Quote (JBoney @ May 15 2011 09:55pm)
If your argument is that the qassam rockets hurt less than vending machines, then I reject your argument and spit on it.  Hilarious how you do not see what a hypocritical retard you are.  Also you obv completely overlooked this disclaimer to fit this narrative you want to spew:


Well your argument is invalid.
The numbers speak for themselves.

Qassam deaths: 23
Vending Machine deaths: 50+

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Plenty has been said on the Mavi and you can search the archives for my original postings on it.  Going forward though I'm glad I can easily dismiss anything you have to say.


Sounds like you backed off.
If you don't have the mental faculties available to carry an argument, you can quit spewing your babble.



But before you go, amuse me and tell me how much a terrorist whore slut arabian cocksucker that Rachel Corrie was. I do enjoy zionist propaganda for a black humored laugh once in a while.

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 15 2011 10:03pm
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May 15 2011 10:05pm
Quote (Torm1 @ May 16 2011 01:16pm)
Most of them were written 1000+ years before the birth of Jesus, and it just so happened that Jesus fulfilled them all to the letter without actually being able to plan any of it out.

Look at the fulfilled prophecies of Isaiah for example, which were fulfilled in the birth, crucifixion, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Oh, for the record, I'm not a May 21st'er.


You sir, are a fool.
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