d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Is The Bible God's Word? > An Honest Research From A Muslim Scholar
Prev1141516171822Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 65,046
Joined: Jul 7 2008
Gold: Locked
Jun 24 2012 12:09am
Quote (simpleforce @ Jun 23 2012 11:08pm)
Convince me. Tell me the significance of the metaphors. Why is day 3 and 4 swapped? Was it to make understanding of something simpler? I guess this is the 3rd time I'm asking...


Read the book and find out.
Member
Posts: 24,639
Joined: Jun 27 2008
Gold: 0.00
Jun 24 2012 12:13am
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Jun 24 2012 06:09am)
Read the book and find out.


i have. now give me your explanation of why day 3&4 needed to be swapped (metaphor). I need the significance. 4th time I'm asking ....

This post was edited by simpleforce on Jun 24 2012 12:13am
Member
Posts: 96,125
Joined: Mar 15 2007
Gold: 7,252.72
Jun 24 2012 12:33am
Quote (simpleforce @ Jun 24 2012 02:08am)
Convince me. Tell me the significance of the metaphors. Why is day 3 and 4 swapped? Was it to make understanding of something simpler? I guess this is the 3rd time I'm asking...


...there are many scholarly interpretations of the symbolism in Genesis available to anyone with a computer and a little time to spare .

Here is one from Mathew Henry's Concise Commentary regarding your confusion over those verses -



Commentary on Genesis 1:6-13

(Read Genesis 1:6-13)
The earth was emptiness, but by a word spoken, it became full of God's riches, and his they are still. Though the use of them is allowed to man, they are from God, and to his service and honour they must be used. The earth, at his command, brings forth grass, herbs, and fruits. God must have the glory of all the benefit we receive from the produce of the earth. If we have, through grace, an interest in Him who is the Fountain, we may rejoice in him when the streams of temporal mercies are dried up.

Commentary on Genesis 1:14-19



(Read Genesis 1:14-19)
In the fourth day's work, the creation of the sun, moon, and stars is accounted for. All these are the works of God. The stars are spoken of as they appear to our eyes, without telling their number, nature, place, size, or motions; for the Scriptures were written, not to gratify curiosity, or make us astronomers, but to lead us to God, and make us saints. The lights of heaven are made to serve him; they do it faithfully, and shine in their season without fail. We are set as lights in this world to serve God; but do we in like manner answer the end of our creation? We do not: our light does not shine before God, as his lights shine before us. We burn our Master's candles, but do not mind our Master's work.
Member
Posts: 24,639
Joined: Jun 27 2008
Gold: 0.00
Jun 24 2012 01:40am
That doesn't explain why God wanted himself to be wrong. I understand its a book of Signs and not Science. But this does not make a good sign. This is a sign of incorrectness.

It seems there is absolutely no reason to switch Day 3 and 4. And there is not a logical excuse.
I hope this confusion is fixed in the "newer" versions of the Bibles. Does man fix Gods mistake here? Or has man mistaken Gods word in the beginning and need to revert it back to its logical order. (I'd agree the latter)

My thoughts: People thought Earth was the center of the universe, and it was first. Someone thought maybe Sun before Earth was illogical so they switched it. Now the Christian is stuck with this verse. (My thought)
I hope the Christian understand Science is the ultimate measure of truth today. If the book is not compatible with proven facts of science, it cannot survive. And this is just one example.

This post was edited by simpleforce on Jun 24 2012 01:40am
Member
Posts: 96,125
Joined: Mar 15 2007
Gold: 7,252.72
Jun 24 2012 01:44am
Quote (simpleforce @ Jun 24 2012 03:40am)
That doesn't explain why God wanted himself to be wrong. I understand its a book of Signs and not Science. But this does not make a good sign. This is a sign of incorrectness.

It seems there is absolutely no reason to switch Day 3 and 4. And there is not logical excuse.
I hope this confusion is fixed in the "newer" versions of the Bibles. Does man fix Gods mistake here? Or has man mistaken Gods word in the beginning and need to revert it back to its logical order. (I'd agree the latter) 

My thoughts: People thought Earth was the center of the universe, and it was first. Someone thought maybe Sun before Earth was illogical so they switched it. Now the Christian is stuck with this verse. (My thought)
I hope the Christian understand Science is the ultimate measure of truth today. If the book is not compatible with proven facts of science, it cannot survive. And this is just one example.


...your thoughts on Biblical interpretation and understanding are totally irrelevant to a Christian . As far as we are concerned you speak only for Satan .
Member
Posts: 24,639
Joined: Jun 27 2008
Gold: 0.00
Jun 24 2012 01:45am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jun 24 2012 07:44am)
...your thoughts on Biblical interpretation and understanding are totally irrelevant to a Christian . As far as we are concerned you speak only for Satan .


This is your thought. As far as I'm concerned, you speak only for satan.

/and thats why I mentioned "my thoughts" twice, cuz I knew it would be a good place for a beginner to attack, yet you still did it, congratulations..
But to make sure you don't offtrack and offtopic my post as your intention probably was:
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
That doesn't explain why God wanted himself to be wrong. I understand its a book of Signs and not Science. But this does not make a good sign. This is a sign of incorrectness.

It seems there is absolutely no reason to switch Day 3 and 4. And there is not a logical excuse.
I hope this confusion is fixed in the "newer" versions of the Bibles. Does man fix Gods mistake here? Or has man mistaken Gods word in the beginning and need to revert it back to its logical order. (I'd agree the latter)

I hope the Christian understand Science is the ultimate measure of truth today. If the book is not compatible with proven facts of science, it cannot survive. And this is just one example.

This post was edited by simpleforce on Jun 24 2012 01:47am
Member
Posts: 96,125
Joined: Mar 15 2007
Gold: 7,252.72
Jun 24 2012 01:53am
Quote (simpleforce @ Jun 24 2012 03:45am)
This is your thought. As far as I'm concerned, you speak only for satan.

/and thats why I mentioned "my thoughts" twice, cuz I knew it would be a good place for a beginner to attack, yet you still did it, congratulations..
But to make sure you don't offtrack and offtopic my post as your intention probably was:
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
That doesn't explain why God wanted himself to be wrong. I understand its a book of Signs and not Science. But this does not make a good sign. This is a sign of incorrectness.

It seems there is absolutely no reason to switch Day 3 and 4. And there is not a logical excuse.
I hope this confusion is fixed in the "newer" versions of the Bibles. Does man fix Gods mistake here? Or has man mistaken Gods word in the beginning and need to revert it back to its logical order. (I'd agree the latter)

I hope the Christian understand Science is the ultimate measure of truth today. If the book is not compatible with proven facts of science, it cannot survive. And this is just one example.


...my intention was exactly as I presented it . Your opinion on scripture has no value to a Christian and since your intent is hostile you do not deserve any in depth explanation and discussion on what we believe and why !
Member
Posts: 19,824
Joined: Dec 17 2004
Gold: 2,255.00
Jun 24 2012 02:11am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jun 24 2012 02:53am)
...my intention was exactly as I presented it . Your opinion on scripture has no value to a Christian and since your intent is hostile you do not deserve any in depth explanation and discussion on what we believe and why !


Actually, he deserves it just as much as the most devout Christian around asking for clarification on something. More, actually, if you want to get really technical. It is your moral duty as a Christian to try to save him.

Further proof you're actually a closet Satanist? I think so...
Member
Posts: 3,737
Joined: Nov 5 2006
Gold: 2,913.00
Jun 24 2012 02:46am
Quote (Ricelol @ Jun 23 2012 10:13am)
The Qu'ran is perfect because it says so itself.

I see nothing wrong with this.  I am now a Muslim.


Good for you
Member
Posts: 3,737
Joined: Nov 5 2006
Gold: 2,913.00
Jun 24 2012 02:47am
Quote (xXAn0nym0usXx @ Jun 23 2012 05:51pm)
21:31-32 And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should quake with them, and We have made therein broad highways between mountains for them to pass through. And we have made the sky a roof withheld from them.  13:2 Allah raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He is firmly established on the throne; and has subjected the sun and the moon each one to run its course for a term appointed. 18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People.



I know right? Circular logic is the best...


Reported. Now stick to the topic, or go make a thread: "Is the Qur'an the word of God/Allah"
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1141516171822Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll