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Sep 27 2015 05:18pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 28 2015 01:14am)
You use a bastardized view of the opinions of a couple free market advocates to condemn the whole philosophy and make false non sequitur conclusions.
Some wrong predictions, or predictions that haven't come true yet about the current system does not mean the free market fails to work in practice or that it fails to improve the lives of the masses. Complete non sequitur.

You stated a matter of fact sentence and we wer supposed to take it on your authority since you posted no reasoning.
Noting that you have little idea of what you speak of isn't a logical fallacy there.


What are your opinions Milton Friedman or Ludwig von Mises?
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Sep 27 2015 05:24pm
Quote (Neptunus @ Sep 27 2015 07:18pm)
What are your opinions Milton Friedman or Ludwig von Mises?


I think they both have made high quality contributions that have spread the ideas of liberty through economic literature and public relations.
Why do you ask?
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Sep 27 2015 05:28pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 28 2015 12:14am)
You use a bastardized view of the opinions of a couple free market advocates to condemn the whole philosophy and make false non sequitur conclusions.
Some wrong predictions, or predictions that haven't come true yet about the current system does not mean the free market fails to work in practice or that it fails to improve the lives of the masses. Complete non sequitur.

You stated a matter of fact sentence and we were supposed to take it on your authority since you posted no reasoning.
Noting that you have little idea of what you speak and that you stating your opinion isnt good enough isn't a logical fallacy there.


Before I knew much about economics the Austrian school of thought made a lot of practical sense. In reality if you look at the data, mixed economies with some form of regulation are more productive. Externalities are the perfect example of where in most cases government intervention is warranted.

You talk about government made monopolies, but what about natural monopolies in gas, electricity and pharma? They exist, and need some form of regulation to stop them from abusing market power.
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Sep 27 2015 05:28pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 27 2015 05:24pm)
I think they both have made high quality contributions that have spread the ideas of liberty through economic literature and public relations.
Why do you ask?


In other words they have Libertarian next to their name so they can do no wrong. Next.
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Sep 27 2015 05:45pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 27 2015 06:10pm)
Again you are completely ignoring the fact that he has a govt granted monopoly and that govt is preventing competitors from cheaply entering the market AND that govt has a long approval process for drugs and that I support none of that..
Similar drugs are available for a few cents outside of the US and they are stopping people from selling them here. Its completely ridiculous to call that a fault of a free market.

Its truly pathetic that you have to go so far offtopic and still completely fail at coming up with a valid point.


it's amazing the lengths you go to to avoid acknowledging what was said going straight back to blaming everything on the government

is it possible at all for you to give a straight answer?

is it or is it not accurate to say you'd rather someone be able to set the price of a life saving drug to whatever they wish it to be to make the most amount of profit possible regardless of how many people die? it'd be far worse to force them to sell the drug for cheaper against there will, or tax others to subsidize the cost of the drug under libertarian ideology

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Sep 27 2015 09:17pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ 27 Sep 2015 23:24)
I think they both have made high quality contributions that have spread the ideas of liberty through economic literature and public relations.
Why do you ask?


Wow. You're such a hack.

e/ not even a hack. An ignoramus.

This post was edited by Scaly on Sep 27 2015 09:34pm
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Sep 27 2015 09:43pm
Quote (Scaly @ Sep 27 2015 10:17pm)
Wow. You're such a hack.

e/ not even a hack. An ignoramus.


he's incapable of acknowledging any downsides to libertarian ideology, free markets or unfettered capitalism
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Sep 27 2015 09:49pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 28 Sep 2015 03:43)
he's incapable of acknowledging any downsides to libertarian ideology, free markets or unfettered capitalism


Didn't I just say that?
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Sep 27 2015 10:20pm
Quote (Scaly @ Sep 27 2015 10:49pm)
Didn't I just say that?


was hoping spelling it out would have it offered as a challenge for himself to redeem himself :o
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Sep 28 2015 03:04am
Quote (dro94 @ 27 Sep 2015 12:08)
It's not an either / or issue. It is a given that you are hiring someone with merit. What if there are 2 candidates with the right credentials but one has a sprawling tattoo on their face.

Any tattoo on a person's face, neck or hands are damn near impossible to cover up and a job may require them to talk to clients or attend business meetings. In that case it is perfectly reasonable to favour the candidate without those tattoos. It's unprofessional, may impact negatively upon the business' image and was entirely a result of their personal choice to appear that way.



Speaking from experience when hiring people that come with virtually equal resume's the process does come down to the personal interview, that's when you can get to know a taste of the candidate's personality it's usually pretty easy to pick the "right fit" for the spot.

You guys all think that someone with a tattoo on their head would be bad for business or sales. but I'd take one outside or inside sales person covered in tattoos that was friendly and outgoing and earnest in what they were doing, and who they were selling to. over a fleet of plain Jane well groomed non-adorned sales people who were just earning their commission.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 27 Sep 2015 17:23)

What do you think it means when you want government to ban allowing employers to discriminate based on looks?
What do you think happens if they refuse to comply with your tyrannical commands?
You'll hold their hand and tell them why its somehow wrong to make smart business decisions and exercise their freedom of association? ofc not. There will be serious punitive penalties, and prison/death for resistors.

You being too cowardly to face up to the truth of what you support doesn't make what I said 'bullshit'

Once again Cam no business owner in the US has been executed for not hiring enough XX they usually have to comply or pay a fine. but they don't have to face old Sparky.


You are so caught up on the word and assign such a negative value to it that it clouds your whole view of the situation.
Yes discriminating based on appearance or not is a preference.
Yes it's a preference but the discriminating part is when they use that preference to exclude a person from a situation like employment, or public exchange of goods etc..

Letting people hire who they wish with their own money is not akin to letting them run roughshod over a race..


People who want to do so.
You have this fear mongered implication that all of a sudden everyone will turn into racists and anti-tattoo kkk members if we let people choose who they want to associate with and start starving people to death, when in reality racism is wildly unpopular, most people are more than willing to work with people of any race, and most are open to working with people who have tattoos.
Its funny that you have to keep bringing up race to defend using government force to ban normal business practices like dress codes and standards.
We don't have anti-discrimination laws on the books because everybody plays nice. There weren't race riots in the last century because everyone was treated equally. There isn't still a strong membership in the KKK because everyone is now colorblind when it comes to race relations. The people that are in minority situations do need government protection against the bullies who would very much like to exclude them.


Discriminating based on tattoos and unkept looks is a useful thing for some businesses.
This usefulness doesn't disappear when your feelings come into play.
This is more strawman bullshit.
Respecting the property rights and civil liberties of employers is not at all the same as 'wanting the elite to have it all'
How intellectually bankrupt can you be? really.

Yes violently enforcing your moral code on others and stomping all over their basic rights like freedom of association is tyrannical. Even when you pretend its for the little guys.

This has all been covered.
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