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May 17 2013 01:57pm
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And here you are spouting groundless nonsense with not even the smallest inkling of evidence.

We have statistical evidence that SSRIs are effective at treating several psychological conditions and do so with relatively few side effects. You have no evidence that anything else is the case.

No, you have drug companies creating their own garbage studies to produce their own desired results, heavily protected by bad government laws. You have absolutely nothing of use, lol. What you do have is a shitload of mass shootings, most of whom happened to be on these deadly drugs. Keep blaming 30 round magazines and scary looking "assault" weapons, idiotic obamabot.
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May 17 2013 01:59pm
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No, you have drug companies creating their own garbage studies to produce their own desired results, heavily protected by bad government laws. You have absolutely nothing of use, lol. What you do have is a shitload of mass shootings, most of whom happened to be on these deadly drugs. Keep blaming 30 round magazines and scary looking "assault" weapons, idiotic obamabot.


Because I definitely stated in my post that I support weapon bans. Keep up the good work, detective.

And I repeat: don't you think these mass shootings by depressed people might be related to their depression?
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May 17 2013 02:03pm
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Because I definitely stated in my post that I support weapon bans. Keep up the good work, detective.

And I repeat: don't you think these mass shootings by depressed people might be related to their depression?

Unless you're removing your support for that terrorist Obama, then yes, you do support weapon bans. And maybe watch the video clip before posting? That would answer your last question :(
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May 17 2013 02:06pm
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Unless you're removing your support for that terrorist Obama, then yes, you do support weapon bans. And maybe watch the video clip before posting? That would answer your last question :(


Thanks for telling me what I support, I knew I could always count on you <3
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May 17 2013 02:07pm
While they can help in some ways in many cases, pretending SSRIs dont have serious adverse effects is equivalent to sticking your head in the sand.
Studies have indeed linked SSRIs to increased suicidal tendencies and hostility as well as a vast array of physical side effects and severe withdrawal symptoms.
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May 17 2013 02:13pm
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No, you have drug companies creating their own garbage studies to produce their own desired results, heavily protected by bad government laws. You have absolutely nothing of use, lol. What you do have is a shitload of mass shootings, most of whom happened to be on these deadly drugs. Keep blaming 30 round magazines and scary looking "assault" weapons, idiotic obamabot.


Yeah, that's capitalism. I take a generic drug, Citalopram, in America, it's celexa.

When I was put on these pills, I had to see my doctor once a week to check my condition.

Next month, I'm set to start coming off them and it'll be much the same.

They've worked wonders for me, I'm not violent, suicidal, not going on any mass shootings or whatever.

They brought me to a level at which I could deal with my problem.

Don't try to turn this into gun control or anything to do with Obama, these pills have been being used for quite some time now.

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May 17 2013 02:16pm
Prescription anti-depressants are prescribed entirely too much.

The modern concept of mental illness as disease to be stigmatized and divided from reason-ability is going to be something that eventually changes in the future. Scientists have observed the chemical interactions and because of this pretend there is no mystery left, pretend that we've reached the end of the dialectic.

There is something to be said about the animal spirits that lurk in the lower stem, or what has been called the unconscious since Freud.
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May 17 2013 02:19pm
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Scientists have observed the chemical interactions and because of this pretend there is no mystery left, pretend that we've reached the end of the dialectic.


I don't know of any scientist naive enough to claim we've reached the apex of psychological or neurobiological knowledge.

That our knowledge isn't complete or perfect, however, is no reason not to make use of what we currently know in order to improve the quality of life of people who suffer from mental conditions to such a degree that they can't live a normal life without treatment.
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May 17 2013 02:20pm
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Prescription anti-depressants are prescribed entirely too much.

The modern concept of mental illness as disease to be stigmatized and divided from reason-ability is going to be something that eventually changes in the future.  Scientists have observed the chemical interactions and because of this pretend there is no mystery left, pretend that we've reached the end of the dialectic.

There is something to be said about the animal spirits that lurk in the lower stem, or what has been called the unconscious since Freud.


I'll agree they're prescribed wayyy too often.

For me, they were a last resort, when all else failed, my doctor said he thought that the pills were now the best route for the time being.

He was right.

Yet, all too often, people who are just going through a hard time get prescribed these pills because the doctor pushes it on them, or they're not into the idea of counselling.

I believe these pills are very effective when used correctly, but they're not to be fucked around with, they can definitely lead to some undesirable effects both mentally and physically.

This post was edited by PesChye on May 17 2013 02:20pm
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May 17 2013 02:27pm
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I don't know of any scientist naive enough to claim we've reached the apex of psychological or neurobiological knowledge.

That our knowledge isn't complete or perfect, however, is no reason not to make use of what we currently know in order to improve the quality of life of people who suffer from mental conditions to such a degree that they can't live a normal life without treatment.


Oh absolutely. I'm not anti-chemistry or drug and have even used them myself to help come out of a years long severe depression.

I'm an advocate of increasing treatment of mental illness and removing the stigma attached, but I'm just pointing out that the entire idea of mental illness isn't that old of a concept and that mental illness fills a role in society that was largely filled by the lepers before leprosy died out of Europe.

And while no psychologist or neurobiologist will claim that we've reached the apex they do go about stating what they know as if it is objective truth when it is only actually true in a pragmatic sense. Too much of this neurotransmitter then you do this to treat, etc. Maybe I'm wrong about it, but it seems that way as it is taught at my university.

My university could be an exception to the norm because it uses the Gibsonian ecological theory of psychology as the standard, which I understand isn't the norm in most places. A psych major could probably tell you more, I'm training for clinical social work and geriatric care.
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