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May 20 2012 11:08pm
Quote (PixileDust @ May 20 2012 11:03pm)
Atheism is the absolute denial of meaning, to say you give yourself meaning is to not be atheist


That's ridiculous.

The whole point of atheism, from my standard, is to find meaning elsewhere. What you do, how you live, where you go, and what you leave behind is meaningful.
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May 20 2012 11:11pm
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If an atheist believes his life as any sort of objective meaning he's wrong. It doesn't even work to say that it's to procreate, it isn't, that's just why you're here.


You claimed that an atheists life is meaningless, which is objectively true. They can easily claim the point of life is to pursue happiness.

PixileDust, your definition of an atheist has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.
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May 20 2012 11:17pm
This is an argument based on fear, not reason.

Quote (PixileDust @ May 20 2012 09:47pm)
...Especially if no one is going to reward you for it. What is the point of being remembered for any time at all when you will eventually be forgotten. Atheism is more harmful than religion. In fact religion is helpful to society.


It's childish to need to live your life and be virtuous only for the sake of a reward. We will all die, and we will all be forgotten.

Can you imagine bliss for eternity in heaven? How can you have such a thing without its opposite to give it contrast? It'd be like asking a fish to describe the water around it -- it wouldn't even recognize it. If one were to live in eternal joy, how could one describe it without sadness to give it meaning? It would have none.
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May 20 2012 11:30pm
Quote (ArcticShadow @ May 20 2012 11:07pm)
You should learn what atheism is.


It's very simple.  It's the lack of belief in god(s.)    Nothing more.


if there is no "god" then there is no meaning. Logic my friend.
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May 20 2012 11:31pm
Quote (PixileDust @ May 20 2012 10:30pm)
if there is no "god" then there is no meaning. Logic my friend.


That's about as blatant as a departure from logic that you can have.
You can't just affix "Logic my friend" to an argument and make it logical. The existence of God can be one way of giving humans meaning in life, but the lack of God does not necessarily mean a lack of meaning.

This post was edited by Fervent on May 20 2012 11:32pm
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May 20 2012 11:32pm
Quote (PixileDust @ May 20 2012 09:47pm)
Atheism embraces pointlessness, ethics are meaningless if the entire world is pointless. Saving the earth from "global warming" would be pointless if the world is meaningless. Staying faithful to a spouse and/or doing anything to help society as a whole is pointless, meaningless because it will all be gone anyways right? Especially if no one is going to reward you for it. What is the point of being remembered for any time at all when you will eventually be forgotten. Atheism is more harmful than religion. In fact religion is helpful to society.


hmm i hope that's not how they view things haha.
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May 20 2012 11:33pm
Quote (Fervent @ May 20 2012 11:17pm)
This is an argument based on fear, not reason.



It's childish to need to live your life and be virtuous only for the sake of a reward. We will all die, and we will all be forgotten.

Can you imagine bliss for eternity in heaven? How can you have such a thing without its opposite to give it contrast? It'd be like asking a fish to describe the water around it -- it wouldn't even recognize it. If one were to live in eternal joy, how could one describe it without sadness to give it meaning? It would have none.


Please tell me how its childish to do that. Because I know at least 4 billion people* in this world believe in living life hoping to be rewarded, whether, Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, etc. All believe in doing so.

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May 20 2012 11:37pm
Quote (Fervent @ May 20 2012 11:31pm)
That's about as blatant as a departure from logic that you can have.
You can't just affix "Logic my friend" to an argument and make it logical. The existence of God can be one way of giving humans meaning in life, but the lack of God does not necessarily mean a lack of meaning.


Maybe our problem here is our definition of meaning. According to dictionary.com: "Having a serious, important, or useful quality or purpose." I don't believe atheists can have a serious, important, or useful purpose. Considering the world is going to cease to exist anyways how can anything you do be important or useful other than for a temporary meaningless period?

(sorry if I overuse the world meaningless, as atheists tend to do with the word delusional)
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May 20 2012 11:38pm
Quote (PixileDust @ May 20 2012 03:21pm)
Human potential is unfortunately limited. Death is inevitable. Life is brief or as someone I know well said, "t'is but a vapor." The ramifications of this are devastating. What is the Point? What drives humanity on? We look around and somehow find hope despite an unstoppable death, which is our absolute end. Our lives are meaningless and yet we still care about our actions and how they affect others. The world as a whole is also worthless, pointless, yet we still wish to protect it. Humanity is crumbling, if we as a race believe in no eternal existence or after life but decide to believe in randomness then we essentially accept death, hopelessness, and depression.
    What is the point of doing good, following rules, or abiding by a code of morals or any form of ethics when we will all cease to exist within 100 years? 100 years in the scheme of total existence is minuscule, thus we are minuscule, considering we are only one of the six billion that lived during that 100 years. I personally find it difficult to accept such a notion, to accept the idea that I am meaningless, my family is meaningless, my country, meaningless, and even the very universe we inhabit such a small portion of, meaningless. I wonder sometimes what drives someone, what keeps them going, how does one justify the existence of a conscious? Therefore, I have to choose to believe in meaning. I have to accept that there is a point, lest I forfeit myself.







Quote (wheniwassevenishotacheetah @ May 20 2012 04:53pm)
It's a nice day outside. There were babes everywhere. I had food and beer. I felt the satisfaction of completing work. That there are several billion others out there doesn't take away from individual experience.. it adds to it. Death is inevitable, but you aren't dead yet, so deal.


/e also the world pop. is estimated to have topped 7 billion as of march. pretty big difference between 6 and 7 so.. do you feel even more insignificant?



Have you just started forming your beliefs, or is this as far as you've made it over a long while? What's your hang-up with death? Why does something small not matter? Why is life ending more important than living? This seems like the rant of an embittered middleschooler.
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May 20 2012 11:39pm
Quote (PixileDust @ May 20 2012 10:33pm)
Please tell me how its childish to do that.


It's childish to need to be moral only because there is a reward waiting for you. Are you saying that without a God or heaven you would be evil, since there would be no hell waiting for you?

Quote (PixileDust @ May 20 2012 10:33pm)
...at least 4 billion people* in this world believe in living life hoping to be rewarded, whether, Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, etc. All believe in doing so.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

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