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It is just a label. I was not sure what the B stood for thus the ? at the end of my statement.



The grouping i believe is based on monster type and the 7 refers to the fallen group. The name fallen is the generic name for Fallen, devlinkin, ect. This is a "normal" mode name. The level part makes it hell mode because of the 66 in the level.



The drop sequince has a selection in it to lower the TC. In the selection of "16/71 for dropping from Act 5 (H) Equip C" there is the option within that drop group to change the TC selection. It is rather High (bolded part below) to lower the TC and rather small (underlined part below) to upgrade the TC. The exact 16 choices from act5 (h) equip C are:

* 2/1565 for dropping from weap81;
* 1/1565 for dropping from armo81;
* 6/1565 for dropping from weap84;
* 3/1565 for dropping from armo84;
* 15/1565 for dropping from weap87;
* 8/1565 for dropping from armo87;
* 1530/1565 for dropping from "Act 5 (H) Equip B"




If you dont ask, you will never know. If I am not having this stuff make sense to you, let me know. I know that this stuff is very confusing for anyone just getting into this. It might be best if you get the ATMA program so that all the text files used for determining drops are available to you without having to get some sort of MPQ extractor. Once you have the text files, you can open them and peruse them on your own time.

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"The grouping i believe is based on monster type and the 7 refers to the fallen group. The name fallen is the generic name for Fallen, devlinkin, ect. This is a "normal" mode name. The level part makes it hell mode because of the 66 in the level"

the grouping just sorts the TC, so that if a monster is linked to a TC, it cannot drop from another TC-group, if there might be a TC-Upgrade. the TC-level is compared to the monsterlevel. if the monsterlevel is higher than the tc-level, the TC can be upgraded (in the same group) if there is another TC with a higher level than the before linked TC, but lower than the monsterlevel.
example:

mlvl is 78, and the monster is normally linked to TC with level 75 from group 1

TClevel 75 group 1
TClevel 78 group 1
TClevel 81 group 1
TClevel 78 group 2

the game will pick TClevel 78 group 1. the grouping is also the reason why the seal-bosses dont drop from TC 87, although there is a higher TC in their group

Just because the original thread is closed, does not mean you cannot post questions here. Feel free to continue to ask questions here.

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As i further read the post above it strikes me as odd. The seal bosses in chaos do not drop from TC87 as their drops have been coded into the game like all other superuniques. Its in the code to not allow them to pick from TC87. Their minions, who do not have hard coded drop calculations, can drop from TC 87.

well, i wouldnt call it " Its in the code to not allow them to pick from TC87."
... they are allowed, but they cannot, because of just being level 88 and they would need level 90 to upgrade it to drop from TC 84
test it with lister nightmare, iirc he upgrades his TC like every other monster

the f***ing upgrade system costed me some much time to test it.

Um, I think you are stuck on 1.09 and not moved to 1.11. There are no monsters with mlvl90 in 1.11. The coding now uses the mlvl to decide what TC to drop from. Being that TC87 is the highest, it does not take a mlvl87 or better to obtain the ability to pick from that TC. as long as the mlvl is equil to or higher than the qlvl of the base item, it can be chosen. There are odds to upgrade the TC, for those monsters who are mlvl84 and below, but it is rare.

1.10 happened sometime in 2003/4 didn't it?

Anyways, why is this here, and the original guide in the guide forum? I'm pretty sure it was moved there? Edit - Maybe I was wrong. Sure I'd seen it there? Oh well.

Just a thought, and keep up the goood work !!!

This post was edited by AyeCaramba on Jan 8 2008 05:57pm

The original hit 250 posts and njaguar closed it and moved the "extra" posts to this thread. The original is still here, we just cannot bump it back to the top anymore. There is a second thread that was stickied as an amazon guide over in strats and guides.

About The Strafezon Gear Can or should i change the Shako For an Andy Face?

Great Guide and Great Character.

Tkz alot